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    Default upgrade CPU,RAM,Mainboard,power + SSD for 3ds max & vray rendering

    hi
    i want to upgrade this pieces of system hardware:
    CPU,RAM,Mainboard,power

    my current hardwares:

    CPU: Q6600
    Mainboard: P5Q
    RAM: 2*2 GIG corsair bus 800
    VGA: 9500 GT 512
    Power: 535W
    HDD: WD 1TB Green *2 + 250 GB Seagate
    Case: Cooler Master CM690


    my new selection for upgrade:

    CPU: Intel Core™ i7-3770K Ivy Bridge
    RAM: Geil EVO Corsa 2400MHz 16GB 8GBx2
    VGA: MSI GTX 550 Ti Cyclone II 1GB GDDR5
    Power: 800W
    Mainboard: ASUS P8Z77-V
    SSD: CORSAIR FORCE 3 120 Gig


    *in our work , i mean vray rendering ; RAM`s bus how is important?
    because bus 2600 is double price bus 1600 !
    have any benchmark about this subject?

    *about VGA , my works is high poly ( multy milion poly) and i have critical problem about FPS ( frame per secend ) in max viewport. whats your point of view about nvidia VGA serie which have high performance in max? 4000 or 5000 or 6000?

    my budget is depend on dollar value in my country which thats very unstable !
    In any case, I want the same value as I bought pieces.
    Please help me to get better purchasing.
    thank you

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    Default Re: upgrade CPU,RAM,Mainboard,power + SSD for 3ds max & vray rendering

    These are the modifications I would make to your system:
    1. Go with the DDR 1600 instead of the 2400 - Not worth the price
    2. What is the max RAM your motherboard can take? How many slots? If it takes 32GB in 4 sticks then get 16GB in 2 sticks so you can upgrade later.
    3. Reprice your system with those things in mind and then figure out how much money you want to spend on a graphics card. The 550is not very good. If you are worried about pure viewport performance then the Quadro cards or ATI fire cards are the way you want to go.

    I have two machines with the i7-3770 and it kicks butt.
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    Default Re: upgrade CPU,RAM,Mainboard,power + SSD for 3ds max & vray rendering

    Quote Originally Posted by Saturn View Post
    These are the modifications I would make to your system:
    1. Go with the DDR 1600 instead of the 2400 - Not worth the price
    2. What is the max RAM your motherboard can take? How many slots? If it takes 32GB in 4 sticks then get 16GB in 2 sticks so you can upgrade later.
    3. Reprice your system with those things in mind and then figure out how much money you want to spend on a graphics card. The 550is not very good. If you are worried about pure viewport performance then the Quadro cards or ATI fire cards are the way you want to go.

    I have two machines with the i7-3770 and it kicks butt.
    thank you dear jason
    good news to me about ram ^_^
    i try to buy 32 gig RAM (the motherboard that i chosen support 32 GIG RAM ) if could not, buy 16 GIG and upgrade later...

    Quadro VGA is very expensive here !
    whats your suggestion about nvidia GTX series?

    so you verify i7 3770 , right?
    thank you jason \m/

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    Default Re: upgrade CPU,RAM,Mainboard,power + SSD for 3ds max & vray rendering

    Yes that MB takes 32GB max RAM, so your RAM selection will do just fine. Later on if you need to you can always add 2 more sticks of RAM.

    The GTX card depends on how much you can spend. You can get a 3GB GTX 660TI for $325 or you can get a GTX Titan for $1000. Just tell us your price range.

    The i7-3770 is a great processor. You may want to look into getting an aftermarket cpu cooler if you are running it all the time or looking to overclock.
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    Default Re: upgrade CPU,RAM,Mainboard,power + SSD for 3ds max & vray rendering

    You can get an AMD FX 8350 for faster Vray rendering + cheaper price:

    i7-3770k default: 12m08

    i7-3770k @4.5ghz: 10m02




    AMD FX 8350 default: 10m51s


    AMD FX 8350 @4.5gh: 9m33s
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    Well, all the reviews I have seen target the i7 as a more powerful processor and more efficient. Here is a basic comparison between the two chips: http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i...vs-AMD-FX-8350
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    Default Re: upgrade CPU,RAM,Mainboard,power + SSD for 3ds max & vray rendering

    and also:
    http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/551?vs=697

    3770k is awesome!

    for VGA i can allocate ~300$ i think
    whats your opinion about this VGA? : http://www.inno3d.com/product/ichillgtx660ti.html
    which brand is good for 3D work?

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    Default Re: upgrade CPU,RAM,Mainboard,power + SSD for 3ds max & vray rendering

    Jason gave you good advice all around.

    * I would stick with the 3770K if you can afford it along with a better GPU, but if you cannot, the 8350 is not a bad choice by any stretch, and if that change (along with the motherboard) can save you some money towards the GPU, then I would not hesitate.

    * The P8Z77-V is a great mobo, but unless you plan on overclocking (and/or need the wifi module), downgrading to a VK or LE from the same family of boards is a great option that can also save you some money.

    * Low end GTX nVidias are not that great for viewport performance. This is a known fact, especially true for really-low-end like the 550ti.
    Don't get me wrong, for the price is a respectable card for gaming, and will do the casual 3D viewport just fine - even laptop GPUs do.
    If you have some money to spent extra, even a low-end Quadro like the 600 or the K600 will be much much better for most viewports - including 3DS Max. If you also game or use CUDA/OpenCL accelerated apps you could look into a 2GB 560ti or a 650ti. The 2GB are important, if you really are into complex scenes, you will max out 1GB cards when displaying large textures.

    * The 800W PSU is a huge waste of money. Depending on the GPU you are using, a quality 500W unit is more than enough for what you plan on getting. A 600-650W will leave you more than enough room to grow to a better GPU in the future (and maintain less than 60-70% peak load).
    3770K CPU = 77W
    Board, sound etc all included lets top it at 125W for all.
    A 550ti / 560ti and the 650ti cards - all requiring a single 6pin connector (75W) + the slot power (75W), cannot possibly exceed 150W load.
    SSDs and HDDs etc are joke.
    That's less than 300W total, easily manageable with a 500W unit that has some 80+ certification.

    Powerful GPUs are around 170-200W real load, with a 250W peak for monsters like the Titan. A 550-600W PSU can easily do those.

    The real fun starts when overclocking: then a 3770K pushed above 4.5GHz and with some extra Vcore can add 100W or more easily ontop of the nominal TDP. A 8320/8350 can peak at more than 200W and hex-cores like the 3930K can be 250W or more - that's just the CPU.
    GPUs can exceed 300W when pushed hard, but usually that is not possible without water cooling - cards crash before reaching that output.

    Long story short, get a 550-600W PSU from a brand name: corsair, seasonic, cooler master, antec are all OK.
    Much better case than a cheap 800W that might blow if it reaches more than 400W real load, and much cheaper than a "real" 800W unit.

    * SSD: stay away from Corsair. Period.
    Corsair and older OCZ etc units that are based on Sandforce controllers are unreliable. Warranties don't cover loss of data and time re-installing windows and apps, so its a waste. Just opt for a unit from Samsung, Crucial or Plextor. No need to spill more ink on this, just trust me.

    * RAM: as you have been advised, RAM faster than 2133 is almost useless for anything but benching. In most intel systems, anything faster than 1866 won't give you any real life benefits. It is a waste of money.
    AMD CPUs like fast RAM much more, and do become faster with 1866 or 2133 (over 1600) but the returns diminish past 2133, as dimms get too expensive. APUs that use system RAM really like speeds even above 2133, but getting a CPU with integrated graphics to save money, and then spent so much on RAM is counterintuitive. In the future when faster modules will be cheaper, might be a good choice, not today.

    Get a couple of 8GB 1866 sticks if you want a little "oomph", but 1600 will do just fine if you go intel.
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    Default Re: upgrade CPU,RAM,Mainboard,power + SSD for 3ds max & vray rendering

    You should look at the apps you or someone need, I7 3770K is more powerful in most single threaded apps, not all apps.
    In this case, I would stick with Vray renderer, and if you want a review you can search about it if you dont impress with my results:
    http://www.behardware.com/articles/8...-amd-back.html

    Vray 2:

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    Default Re: upgrade CPU,RAM,Mainboard,power + SSD for 3ds max & vray rendering

    Quote Originally Posted by wildeagle View Post
    and also:
    http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/551?vs=697

    3770k is awesome!

    for VGA i can allocate ~300$ i think
    whats your opinion about this VGA? : http://www.inno3d.com/product/ichillgtx660ti.html
    which brand is good for 3D work?
    There is no "3d work recommended" gtx. Almost all of them are identical to the referenced design nvidia suggests.

    Only the cooler changes, in most cases for the better.

    The 660ti is faster than the 550ti, but all gtx cards drop rapidly with complex scenes. Outside vray rt, both should perform equally "ok" or be mediocre when things get hard.
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