Completly agree with you jophus this is the conclusion of this argument.. thousands of people know how to make 3d view but few who's have artist's sensation, so dont call anyone working on 3d program is an artist...please , most of them just like it and study it ... it's easy guys anyone can learn it with few months ..but give me an artist of this hundred thousands who's learn max ,,very few comparing to the huge number of who's learn max.In addition,some artist design a mug could have taste and imagination better than thousands of Architects ,also not everyone study Architecture deserve to be an architect same thing for 3d Artist