C.Vestal Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?id=5659302&siteID=123112 No 64 bit info that I can find.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JHalton Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?id=5659302&siteID=123112 No 64 bit info that I can find.... yeah. whats the score? This is only thing on the whole discreet website regarding 64bit. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Is 3ds max 6 compatible with 64-bit operating systems? Published date: 2005-07-05 ID: TD430 Applies to: 3ds max® 6 Issue Does 3ds max 6 work with 64-bit operating systems? Solution Discreet is highly aware of 64-bit platform developments, and is currently in close dialogue with key hardware partners such as Intel and AMD. Though no formal port to 64-bit has been announced by Discreet, we continue to monitor customer demand and it is under consideration in our current planning. It should be noted that the current 32-bit compiled 3ds max should run on the new AMD 64-bit Opteron and Itanium 2 processors in 32-bit mode. NOTE: Not all 64-bit configurations have been fully certified Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Paske Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 What I find interesting is the absence of the "Discreet" name from the latest version of Max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 I've read the PDF on their website concerning Max 8 and I have to say I'm not impressed. I don't see anything that would be a major improvement over Max 7 that would come in handy for architects except for the hair plugin. Is it just me or does it seem that Autodesk is just releasing patches and calling them new versions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 What I find interesting is the absence of the "Discreet" name from the latest version of Max. They had a press release a handful of months ago. They dropped the name Discreet, and switched it to Autodesk Entertainment Division or something along those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abicalho Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 At this time, there is no a 64 bit version of Visual Studio available from Microsoft - so there could not be a 64 bit version of a windows application available that uses that compiler. 3dsmax is one of the applications that relies on it. I know there's a beta version of VS 2005, but the name says it all: Beta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawyer Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Alex you are in the know about this I mean 8 seems like a huge waste of space. Is this the new marketing ploy to get everyone on subscription and then to just release tiny little updates instead of the yearly upgrade? I am a tad ticked about this seems like they are selling the same software twice, once as 7.5 and once as 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Alex you are in the know about this I mean 8 seems like a huge waste of space. Is this the new marketing ploy to get everyone on subscription and then to just release tiny little updates instead of the yearly upgrade? I am a tad ticked about this seems like they are selling the same software twice, once as 7.5 and once as 8. was 7.5 actually for sale? i thought it was only to subscription subscribers? it is the same thing they did with file link extension, and the like. i hate max's exorbitant price, but it does come packed with a lot of stuff. i wish they would work on making the program more efficient, and use less resources instead of just continuing to pack more stuff into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abicalho Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Hi Sawyer, I work at Autodesk, but on a different product line. 7.5 was not on sale. It was made available for subscription users only. Subscription is a yearly contract that at least will let you get 1 free upgrade of the software when the releases are yearly based. So let's say you got MAX 7, and then got 8. 6 months before you got 8 you got 1/2 the feature set that 8 offers, only through a subscription drop to 7.0. Many users will go from 7-8 and the difference will, of course, be larger than for those who go 7-7.5-8, but there's not a single cent spent for customers going 7-7.5, so how can that be bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 So what does 8 do that 7.5 doesn't? I mean that as a serious question. For that matter, I'm not seeing all that much that 8 does that 6 doesn't. Not enough to warrant 2 full version numbers and associated costs, anyway. Has Autodesk simply decided to have a full version per year, to fit their subscription sales model, and just run with whatever they've got ready at the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 That's exactly what there doing, at this point there substituting what used to be small updates for full version changes. I'm of course talking from an architects point of view, I really don't care about the changes made to the character animation capabilities of the package. I've seen no increase in render speed, or significant change in the radiosity setup. Let's be serious for a second, how long is Maxes scanline renderer going to be able to compete with programs like Vray or Maxwell? Their only answer is the extremely slow radiosity setup which is a cannibalization of Lightscape. This coupled with the fact that the core is showing its age and they aren't even serious about creating a 64 bit version makes me think that Max is on its way to a slow death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Many users will go from 7-8 and the difference will, of course, be larger than for those who go 7-7.5-8, but there's not a single cent spent for customers going 7-7.5, so how can that be bad? well, other than the price for the subscription. ...in reality, i really could get by just fine with max 4, or whatever the earliest version that supports Vray is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Eloy Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 That's a point, Travis. Maybe they should focus on new rendering technologies, or maybe do as they did with Mental Ray (include some engine such as Brazil, VRay or finalRender). I certainly wouldn't mind. Viz 4 was a great thing, when they came up with radiosity aiming architects and all, but then.. Anyway, imho, marketing has never been Autodesk's strongest point (we all remember what they did with Lightscape and Viz), so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawyer Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 "...in reality, i really could get by just fine with max 4, or whatever the earliest version that supports Vray is." Amen! I am being pissy about this, I am in a bad mood I am not doing siggy this year and this "news" seems more like a sleazy sales pitch than anything else. I pay for what I think will really only be 2 upgrades a year with the subscription plan I get 7.5 and I was happy with that not much new but some stuff that I was able to use. Then they come along and tell me about the latest and greatest but it's what I already have. I really had thought I would get more with the subscription, that was foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abicalho Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 well, other than the price for the subscription. I don't know why you're complaining... I really do not get it. Subscription gives you a price break on upgrades and allows you to get part of these upgrades earlier. If you do not want it, don't buy it. Wait for the next release and pay more. It's really up to you, but in no way I think it's a waste of money or it's "less money" for what you get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abicalho Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 So what does 8 do that 7.5 doesn't? I mean that as a serious question. For that matter, I'm not seeing all that much that 8 does that 6 doesn't. Not enough to warrant 2 full version numbers and associated costs, anyway. Has Autodesk simply decided to have a full version per year, to fit their subscription sales model, and just run with whatever they've got ready at the time? Seriously your answer is here: http://images.autodesk.com/adsk/files/3dsMax8_techspec_LTRppc.pdf Just cross out what 7.5 has. In my area of work, MAX 8 adds MAXScript access to SQL and a MAXScript debugger. You may not work with scripting, so that's useless to you, but to me it's more than worth the price of the upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 I don't know why you're complaining... I really do not get it. Subscription gives you a price break on upgrades and allows you to get part of these upgrades earlier. If you do not want it, don't buy it. Wait for the next release and pay more. It's really up to you, but in no way I think it's a waste of money or it's "less money" for what you get. that was not a complaint, just a joking comment. that is what the cheesy wink was for, but the reality of it is... the upgrades, the tech support, the extensions are not free, they are the price that is costs for the subscription service. yes, the price is cheaper than if we simply bought the upgrades. ..and i think there is support for the product, although i have never tried it, and the early drops on extensions. we have 3 copies of max, and i have no idea how many of autocad, i would guess more than 100. we have everything under subscription with the exception of combustion (which we have version 2, and i don't know if they even have a subscription service for that product). i assume we probably have some type of group subscription service on the autocad, but i don't kow, that is not my job to deal with. anyway, i really don't want to argue about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Seriously your answer is here: http://images.autodesk.com/adsk/files/3dsMax8_techspec_LTRppc.pdf Just cross out what 7.5 has. In my area of work, MAX 8 adds MAXScript access to SQL and a MAXScript debugger. You may not work with scripting, so that's useless to you, but to me it's more than worth the price of the upgrade. Thanks, I see now - it does have some pretty interesting stuff for the game developers and character animators. Nothing for me to get excited about, but a worthwhile upgrade for some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaPixel Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 yes, the price is cheaper than if we simply bought the upgrades. ..and i think there is support for the product, although i have never tried it, and the early drops on extensions. I've been running into some Max stability issues on my current project and was hoping I could rely on the support my subscription was supposed to gain me. I found out from my reseller that there is a "heavy" extra support price tag - even for subscription members. The other thing that burned me is that in my subscription login page online, there is a little area called "Online Support Demo" which is setup to fire questions specifically at the developers - kind of like the way Archvision's support does it. I went through about a half hour write up preparing a support incident, only to find that when I submitted the query, the word "Demo" came back to haunt me. So much for that. But I must agree, subscription price is better then paying full price for new releases. I guess when we get the .5 extensions, we're kind of like beta testers for the features that will be released in the next full version. What happened to the good old days when special new features were kept closly guarded secrets and we were all pleasently surprised when the new versions came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaunDon Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 If it wasn't for the fact that V-Ray no longer supports max4, I'd agree that our firm didn't really need to upgrade to 6. Here's my deal with the subscription service that no one has mentioned thus far. BACKWARDS COMPATIBILITY. Nothing pisses me off more than working for a small firm that A) doesn't have money to throw at AME for every seat every year and B) has no use for the vast majority of the new features year to year. We could easily upgrade every third or fourth max generation, save money, and even enjoy a rush of new features rather than the paltry trickle year to year. But it's the backwards compatibility that absolutely kills us, and we are considering dropping 3ds max for this reason alone. We work for as well as utilize other 3D firms on a fairly regular basis, and somehow after 7 versions there still is no ability to save back to previous Max filetypes. That's complete and total bull. We won't pay discreet/AME a $1200-1500 a year fee just to buy compatibility with the rest of the max world. That's engineered product deficiency to make annual shareholder revenue that is, as Sawyer aptly put it, sleazy. Alex, I realize you work for Autodesk and are posting in a forum of users of its products, but the reality is that we users should have a choice. If we don't think upgrading is worth the cost, which it honestly isn't for 95% of archviz users, we shouldn't have to. But once we get more than one or two versions behind, it becomes impossible to work collaboratively or even download models and scenes from the rest of the community. That's shameful. Shaun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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