carlangas Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Hi all, wasnt sure where to place this post but anyway, My ego was torn to smitherines this morning when I went to show a client some pics for corrections. after a while he said that my renderings look weird and sort of lifeless, the colors were dull and that there was "something missing". he was refering to my first batch of renderings done with vray. so he just asked me to re-do them with whatever program i was using before (light tracer). I personally dont think theyre that bad (compared to my light tracer work). what im i missing??? im am still learning vray but thought i could start using it for production... i guess i was wrong. comments, tips, suggestions, moral support?? first 3 images are vray, rest LT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dapeter2 Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 I personally think the vray ones look great - that first image looks really very good, especially for a first vray attempt. You could try using Vray's dome light to light the scene instead of using gi... it can help bringing out the definition in shadows. Basically it is the same as the light tracer - leave your sun as is in the scene, and put in a vray light. Change it to "dome light" under the dropdown menu, and put the samples up to at least 24 to get clean results. Turn off GI, and render. I've found using the dome light works great with displacement and getting fine detail to show. Or, just show him the same images and see if he likes them - maybe he doesn't know what he's talking about! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecastillor Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 Dear paisano.... I have had that happen to me so many times, I stopped worrying... I remember almost feeling depressed after some really hard and long renders while learning lightscape, only to have my client tell me he liked better the other renders (not so good scanline renders)...but most of the "normal" clients wont even notice if you dont tell them. I think your client was very used to your other images, which are more contrasted. I know now that is just a phase that one has to go trough (and so does the client) and youll get the hang of it... by the way, those are some great images man! (where did you find or downloaded that camastro?) Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlangas Posted August 2, 2005 Author Share Posted August 2, 2005 Thanks for encouraging words guys... David, I need to try your dome light thing. the guy for whom I did these renderings for is my best client. I started using vray for 3 separate projects which are almost finished. Id really hate to re texture everything. I feel like I need to please him cuz he gives me a lot of work, but I also feel he's being a little too drastic wanting me to redo these 3 projects. should I keep my best customer happy or should I draw the line....thoughts on that would be appreciated. I should have keept vray in the closet but was so exited when i got it that I told him about it. Eduardo, I got that pool chair from http://www.ultra3d.com/ ... thanks for sharing your experiences with us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted August 2, 2005 Share Posted August 2, 2005 can you post some of your scan line stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlangas Posted August 3, 2005 Author Share Posted August 3, 2005 Hi Travis, Happy B-day! the last two pics from my first post are scanline...here are some more, these are works for this same guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brightlight Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 I like the vray ones better, but............ Why not try 1. making the glass more opaque (to match LT) and 2. avoiding too many shaded areas by repositioning the sun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 1 DON`T MIND ABOUT YOUR CRUSHED EGO...IT HAPPENED SO MANNY TIMES , AND FOR SO MANNY....INCLUDING MYSELF,,, 2 CONTINUE WITH VRAY IT IS A GOOD TOOL BUT DON`T RELLY ON IT FOR FINAL IMAGES , INSTEAD GO TO PHOTOSHOP ,OR GIMP . OR WHATHEVER YOU HAVE AND PLAY WHITH YOUR IMAGE..YOU AND YOUR CLIENT WILL BE AMAZED ABOUT HOW THINGS CAN CHANGE... I TAKED THE FREEDOM TO PLAY A BIT WITH AN IMAGE OF YOURS...HOPE YOU DOND MIND. http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/33/ad03modified0yo.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidR Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 I think PSV's approach might save your butt -a bit of Pshop levels to brighten the shadows, a bit of saturation, a bit of unsharp mask. PSV, how did you get the colour bleed under the balcony? it just happened with levels? Looks much better, and quicker than rerendering. Of course, let him think you rerendered for him because he's SUCH a valuable customer:} , and practice your Vray, don't wait for the next job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlangas Posted August 3, 2005 Author Share Posted August 3, 2005 Thanks all for your input, I think I will do just that, I will keep using vray, but will change my glass, not use disp for the grass. he complained bout these two things. then I will finish them off with ps levels n what not. hope he buys it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4DM Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Move the sun around to light the main facade of the house in your second image. The whole building is in shade and looks very dull. Don't get caught up in the technicalities of your software - remember it is the the final image that counts. Don't ignore your client's comments either. He is giving you valuable feedback which ultimately will improve your product. You could try really hard to get some life into your V-Ray renders and re-present them, or if that fails to impress him, at least have another go with V-Ray after you have re-done his work in scanline, to see whether you can achieve a better result in your own time. Cheers, D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlangas Posted August 3, 2005 Author Share Posted August 3, 2005 Hi Danny, I am thinking that my client was probably having a bad day. One thing that I guess he didint take into account was the fact that the pics I showed him were not the "final" pics. which brings me to ask the following. How much post proccesing do you put into preliminary pics, I mean I think that its a waste of time adding a sky and background trees and equalizing colors etc since its just for redlining n such. but im finding that even though I tell my clients that they are just preliminaries they think that the final pics are going to look like that. do you guys make preliminaries look really nice?? I would like to see how some of you approach this. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlangas Posted August 3, 2005 Author Share Posted August 3, 2005 any takers??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 I think PSV's approach might save your butt -a bit of Pshop levels to brighten the shadows, a bit of saturation, a bit of unsharp mask. PSV, how did you get the colour bleed under the balcony? it just happened with levels? Looks much better, and quicker than rerendering. Of course, let him think you rerendered for him because he's SUCH a valuable customer:} , and practice your Vray, don't wait for the next job! david R i just duplicate the background image layer set it`s mode to overlay, and played with opacity....., also levels contrast etc,,,,nothing fancy.. fast ...hehe it`s not fast it`s real time and controlled at pixel level... photoshop is the king of any rendering contest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv Posted August 5, 2005 Share Posted August 5, 2005 Hi Danny, I am thinking that my client was probably having a bad day. One thing that I guess he didint take into account was the fact that the pics I showed him were not the "final" pics. which brings me to ask the following. How much post proccesing do you put into preliminary pics, I mean I think that its a waste of time adding a sky and background trees and equalizing colors etc since its just for redlining n such. but im finding that even though I tell my clients that they are just preliminaries they think that the final pics are going to look like that. do you guys make preliminaries look really nice?? I would like to see how some of you approach this. thanks hehe ....that`s a problem.... i .usualy render fast prewiews ..a low AA , put itin photoshop play with it just to fell the mood of the image(verry important for the final image.....IMHO).....and show it to the client....he doesn`t mind about aliased edges, since it`s not a final... but that`s me..and my client ...the answer it`s yes a lot of post, 50%or even more if i`m in a rush... ciao Sorin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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