renderer job tasks breakdown

[Brian Cassil]

This is an awesome thread! I like it because there are a lot of people who I work with who would probably think its about modeling and pressing a few more buttons and then joila! You got a finished image. I think I'll show this to a few people and hopefully they can get a little better idea of the big picture.

[vizwhiz]

EB III

 

where is The Part about collecting The $,$$$.00

 

??

 

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also, under Data Gathering

 

where does "reading The Clients mind" fit in? especially if it is blank

 

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how about? "educating The Client" as to what is realistically possible

if Their expectations far exceed Their Budget They need To be Told so

 

as in That is NOT Possible

 

i had a Client who wanted a full-blown 3d of a Church

with camera matching background of the actual site

 

she was willing To pay a Total of $50 for The ENTIRE PROJECT

and she wanted This to be done asap over a holiday weekend

 

she said "dont spend Too much Time" on This project

she expected me To do The work in less Than 2 hours

 

??

 

what is wrong with This picture? = me

i guess i did not educate her well enough

 

she has been a registered architect for more Than 20 years

 

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Randy

[DennisHolland]

Yes Randy...

 

Top one! Educating the client is a must because it is still very hard to explain the work in a clear and consise way. Fitting in 3 or 4 sentences what we do, what the possibilities are and why we cost a few bucks is still very hard. But, I understand it in a way. It's a very niche business (still is, gonna stay for a while). Maybe we should join some financial forces and have ourselves a nice full colour (promotionally orientated) manual or guide printed people can order online. Some ad's for the costs and we're set and done....

[thinice]

What we need is to get some management consultant (PWC, anyone) to expand this list into a 300 page value proposition manual complete with legal speak and exclusion clauses.

 

Then maybe our clients would not mind paying 6 digit fee for each assignment.

[Mike]

i'm not english, so forgive my syntax, and forgive me if i did not understand ur goal.

This is a great thread, usefull for all of us to have a sort of "check list", whith prices next to each task/skill used in the picture process, but i'm not sure about all of them.... u can say that taking photos in site is a supplementary task, but can u really say texturing is a separate task u have to charge separately ?

if you go in this way, won't u finish whith a list like: (very caricatural of course)

pressing esc button

pressing f8 button

entering material editor

So, don't u think u have to concentrate on real tasks like site modeling, photos taking, modifications made after render(because of client) etc... ?

[DennisHolland]

The main purpose of this thread is to have an overview of all different tasks/skills. Everybody can chip in with their suggestions and at the end there's a full list of all archi-vis related (sub)items. Nobody said anything about prices per task.

 

For your information, I do think that texturing a model (well) is a skill and perform a photoshoot at the site is also a task where you actually have to think a bit and make some hours for your client. That doesn't mean it has a standard price, but sure is a task you have to perform for your client. Bringing your expensive gear along is also an item here (but not listed > not a task, therefore not relevant). You are thinking in the wrong direction if you feel that the reason for this thread is to compose a pricelist for every mouseclick we do...

 

Dennis

[thomas+son]

Mr. Burden

 

CDs /packing and shipping I have spend a 1/2-3/4 day just getting the materials that I printed and (others) mounted to a "mailbox etc" for careful packing of glass frames

 

Good List -- Thomas+son

[Ernest Burden III]

Good List

 

Mr. Burden? What'd I do, officer?

 

Remember that not all of what's in this list applies to all projects. And no, my concept wasn't to put a cost number on each and hand it to a client like a restaurant menu.

[STRAT]

if i was that organised i'd be dangerous

[Sindala]

this is a great list, good to keep on your desk when making a pricequote or planning.

 

I dont know about you guys, but i always plan in correctionrounds, and put a price on these in my quote. This gives the client the oppurtunity to be an active part of the process and sometimes drawings can be interpreted wrong, or architects change their minds when seeing the AI. Also establishing the target audience and finding the right impulses for these is sometimes good to do.

 

i dont know about you guys but i'm adding these:

 

DATA GATHERING

establishing target audience

 

CORRECTION ROUNDS

adjusting model

re-photographing site

tweaking light setup

adjusting textures

adjusting entourage

 

 

you might want to add calling the client 20 times to pay the bloody bills, but that's probably me being more sarcastic. although i think general administration does deserve a place in the list of skills.

[thinice]

Earlier I joked about getting PWC to expand this into a 300 page manual - but only half so.

 

From my experience, visualisers tend to be looked down as as less professional compared to people like architects, advertising agencies or lawyers due to our lack of paperwork.

 

Clients always says things like " just change the material, that only take u a mouse click, isn't it"'

 

So, esp if you are dealing with large companies with their layer of bereaucracies, your invoice must look something like this,

 

"Material research - online and offline

Design of new material shader

Test rendering of new material shader on selected frames across animation

Lighting adjustments to match new shader

Final Rendering - 3000 frames

Colour correction and readjustments of effect filters in compositors

Compositor test renders

Encoding to final video format.

-etc, etc, etc"

 

Then you can put : total production hours - 10

 

If you don't believe me, try to find out the kind of paperwork that architects and lawyers put in to justify their fee.

[Jeff Mottle]

From my experience, visualisers tend to be looked down as as less professional compared to people like architects, advertising agencies or lawyers due to our lack of paperwork.

 

I agree. Our industry could definetly benefit from some guidelines that is for sure. While it's more work and hassle for the client, thing like contracts, change orders and detailed fee breakdowns are definetly something that *should* be done.

 

You are bang on about lawyers. I received an invoice from mine the other day for the sale of my house and asked that the proceeds check be couriered to me. I was told that they had already "calculated my bill to the exact cent" and I would have to pay COD for the courier. The bill also included charges for faxes, photocopies and court runners. It's not enough they charge you 200/hour they need to bill you for every thing down to how many paperclips they use. No wonder their all rich!