JM Ataide Posted August 16, 2003 Share Posted August 16, 2003 Hi, I just bought this machine. What do you think about the configuration that I did?: - Processor: Intel P4 3,06Ghz, 800Mhz FSB - Processor cooling: Coolermaster IHC-L71 - Mother Board: ABIT IC7-G (800Mhz FSB, S-ATA, Gigabit LAN, etc.) - RAM: 1Gb DDR 400Mhz, Kingston 2 modules 512Mb - HD: Seagate 120Gb S-ATA 150 8Mb 7200rpm - CDRW: Plextor Plexwriter Premium 52x32x52x (black) - DVD: Toshiba DVD-ROM SDM-1712 (black) - Graphic Card: PNY Quadro4 750 XGL - Power supply: 420W - Case: Thermaltake Xaser III V2000+ aluminium PRICE: 2000 euros. Well, I need help about temperature. The processor temp goes from 42-55 C normally. Alarm temp is set to 63 C. The problem comes when I render (mainly Brazil r/s) and the processor temp begins to go up to the alarm temp limit. Then I have to stop the render because I don't know if it is dangerous for the processor. Are these temp values normal? It's 30-35 C in my room, yes, a lot of hot. This year summer in Seville is the hell. Could you help me, please? Thanks. Jose Maria Ataide Seville. Spain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethace Posted August 16, 2003 Share Posted August 16, 2003 Well i think, you have got a problem designing a good system to render with, how much noise are you willing to take - but i think the 3.06GHZ HT Pentium 4 has reached a bit of a thermal brick wall for Intel, especially with the HT added into the equation. My advice might be to disable HT altogether in the Windows XP settings, and see if that make the temp come down at all. Does your processor have Ht? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM Ataide Posted August 16, 2003 Author Share Posted August 16, 2003 Yes, Gareth. HT was on. Now I set HT to off and I got a 24 minutes render time image, but the temperature was very close to the limit, 60.9 C, and seemed to be going up. Before, with HT set to on, the alarm temp jumped in only a couple of minutes or less. I thought that I bought one of the best computer cases and processor cooling systems, to prevent this kind of thermal problems. Do I must install my workstation into the refrigerator, with the beers? What can I do? Do I must leave the rendering processes to autumn, or is there a solution? Thanks, Gareth. Jose Maria Ataide Seville. Spain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethace Posted August 16, 2003 Share Posted August 16, 2003 Yeah, there is a solution - ask the cyberbrain over there at www.aceshardware.com/forum and you might just get a proper answer over there i think. Johan would be very interested in your experiences too, that site is tooootalllly on cpus and nothing else. If they cannot help you,.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hess Posted August 17, 2003 Share Posted August 17, 2003 Part of your problem is the extreme ambient temp. As the ambient temp rises, air cooling becomes less and less effecient. There is actually a peak ambient temp that causes a MASSIVE drop in effectiveness of aircooling, and I think your hovering right around that range. Your options are... Ghetto solution: Open the side of the case. Find a big box fan, or oscillating fan, point it at the open case (Around 3 ft away..remember big magnet) and blow it into the case. That should help quite a bit. AirConditioning solution: Get air conditioning . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethace Posted August 17, 2003 Share Posted August 17, 2003 You mean like this? http://www.aceshardware.com/forum?read=105030747 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted August 17, 2003 Share Posted August 17, 2003 I have the exact same problem. I have 135 CFM flowing through my case, but becuase the ambiant temp is like 31-32C in my office, I run around 57C when I render. I'm just hoping this heat wave ends becuase I neither want to shell out the $700 for a portable air conditioner, nor pay the electricity bill that comes with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethace Posted August 17, 2003 Share Posted August 17, 2003 This is exactly the reason why blades were invented - but after the dot.com burst all the research and development into blades was a bit of a waste. Mind you, with this black out stuff - it might increase the market for blades quite a bit again. All the sun equipment ended up in liquidation sales in Silicon Valley after .dot com thing bottomed out. All the sun stuff is slow, cool and compact - not exactly the blazing saddles that P4 now is, but still, it runs banks and institutions. Look out though for Intel's new revisions to Pentium M, which is a Pentium III type of philosophy, but much improved. The Pentium III systems weren't performance monsters, but they were definetly easy to build and stable as anything. That is why i still use Pentium IIIs. But in saying that, i do miss out on a huge amount of performance, and that shows too. If you have some pics Ataide, post em up. I am always saying the ATX standard of case, doesn't really allow proper cooling of these graphics boards anyhow - the graphics board needs to be treated like a cpu nowadays, with proper ventiltion. The hard drives are another culprit, for pushing up pressure on the psu, making it hotter, the heat from the drives themselves etc, etc. Getting ventilation over the Northbridge heatsink is a huge problem. Mind you, wiht SATA cables, i might have expected better performance for Ataide's system. You could try modding the case Ataide, and putting a huge big 120mm extract fan, on top of the case - that is where you get most value from air ventilation - a blow hole - as hot air always rises. Dell put their psu's on the bottom of their workstation chassis, which quite frankly would seem to disobey that simple fact. [ August 17, 2003, 10:29 AM: Message edited by: garethace ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM Ataide Posted August 17, 2003 Author Share Posted August 17, 2003 If you have some pics Ataide, post em up. Well, I haven't got jet an URL to post pics from there, but here you can see all the info and pics about my case: Thermaltake Xaser III V2000+ Please, take a look at its cooling system. Mind you, wiht SATA cables, i might have expected better performance for Ataide's system. Yes, Gareth, my system has SATA cables. The only card that is installed into the computer is the Quadro4 750 XGL graphic card. Greg, I plain to install air conditioning in my room, but I can't do it now. What I would like to know is if my processor cooling system is ok (Coolermaster IHC-L71, the more expensive and the best in the shop, because my workstation only has a few days and I'm testing it. Thanks to all you, guys. Jose Maria Ataide Seville. Spain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethace Posted August 17, 2003 Share Posted August 17, 2003 Gotcha, you should check out my little build further down in the post - the thread is entitled 'not my usual thing'... surprising how much a system measuring 16inch x 13inch x 3 1/2 inch height, can actually do with a DVD Ripping software on all day long. It ploughed through lots and lots of DVD work all day long. I mean, that is like rendering in MAX too. I mean, the small form factor stuff is what Pixar etc use to render with - to save space etc, etc. I would say, that serious CG Artists should have a cheap-o Pentium III box or something just to do renders on. These can be made very quite too using 200watt psus, small cases and not having much case fans - just let the old P/// bake away in their! send the jobs out over the network, and have the rendering box stored down in the cellar or someplace with the wine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hess Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 What I would like to know is if my processor cooling system is ok (Coolermaster IHC-L71, the more expensive and the best in the shop Is that the only solution you have available? Its a pretty decent solution. There are better ones available. http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1133&page=5 There's a quick snapshot of a review of one. My current fav is the Zalman 7000-Cu. Not only does it cool BETTER then the Coolermaster, but it does it at around 20 db less. (Its hella quieter) Its also hella expensive...so thats a choice you'd have to make. Snapshot of the Zalman... http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=1359&page=5 You also would have to check if it fit on your board. (Its a big freaking heatsink). Other things to check... Did you mount the cpu/hsf...or did someone else? If so, they may have used too much thermal paste (or not enough). I think regardless of your solutions...the high ambient heat is definitely going to play a big part in the cooling of your system. You'd be amazed how much a 5C ambient temp drop can effect the internal case temp. In some cases it can drop a CPU's temp 2-3x more then the ambient drop. (Aka a 10-15C drop in CPU temp). All depends on where the ambient is, the airflow of the case, the cpu in question, and its own heatsink. So in the meanwhile if there is nothing else you can do to effect the ambient temp. I suggest the ghetto solution. Ghetto solution: Open the side of the case. Find a big box fan, or oscillating fan, point it at the open case (Around 3 ft away..remember big magnet) and blow it into the case. It sounds silly, looks sillier, and makes even more noise..but it works and its pretty cheap . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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