Searching for 3d Application can u help?

[hidr]

I have recently tested many 3d applications but in every one of them I find bugs and crashes. I think that there is no reliable 3d application. Do you have the ame problems and if not what application are you using and on what computer?

 

Please help me because I am totally disappointed.

[STRAT]

it's a well known fact that cinema 4d is rock solid and more stable than the hills. i havent had it crash once on me in living memory. you might want to give that a bash. i use windows xp and xp pro.

[martincg]

did you try Maya on Linux or Mac OS ?

 

I think you have problem with Windows not with 3d aplications

 

btw i am using 3d max on windows and sometimes have problems too

[AJLynn]

I've used some version or other (normal, trial, educational) of just about everything out there and the only times I ever had trouble were with Vue's "Infinite Render Cow" (despite having the best name of any software I've ever used, it's trouble), 3DSMax using mr's distributed renderer (this is ridiculous - if one of your machines loses connection, the whole thing crashes) and sometimes with a buggy video driver. What programs have you tried? (And were they legal - it's said that a lot of the pirate software is less stable, though that may be industry propaganda. If you just want to test without buying, most of the programs are available as trial versions.)

 

So, what Martin said - a lot of problems you can get can be external, try updated video drivers and run virus scans, AdAware and Spybot. And enthusiastic agreement with Strat - C4D is darn cool.

[Crazy Homeless Guy]

deleted.

[ImageCube]

freeze, crash, blue screen....

that is life

I was told by a developer who was working on a very popular 3d software that the developing team's goal is to make it only crash every 8 hours.

[bricklyne]

I have recently tested many 3d applications but in every one of them I find bugs and crashes. I think that there is no reliable 3d application. Do you have the ame problems and if not what application are you using and on what computer?

 

Please help me because I am totally disappointed.

 

I don't really believe there's any such thing as a completely bug-free and crash-free software application; in any field, not just 3D applications. If there was, its development would stop at version 1.0 and new features would only be added via patches and updates; obviously no such software exists.

 

3D applications only seem to crash more and have more bugs because they utilize more of your system's resources than do other comparable software in other fields; and also because their developers (and more so in the CG field) usually tend to be anywhere between half a generation to almost 2 generations ahead of hardware manufacturers, in terms of their expectations of the application's capacity in pushing the envelope and hardware technology's capacity to keep up.

 

And of course, you'll have every Tom, Dick and Harry, and their cousins swearing by their favourite application's ability too operate crash-free and bug-free. But for every single person singing hosannas over their favourite application, you're bound to find anywhere between 3-5 others tearing their hair out and spewing murderous profane-filled rants over a crash they suffered last night in the same software or some bug that limits the application's usability over the most basic and simplest of tasks.

 

So, finding a crash-free or bug-free software is just as easy as finding a machine that operates at 100% effeciency, a perpetual motion engine or a perfect system. Oh yeah, they don't exist. Essentially, my point is, that your best bet is to find an application ( warts, bugs, crashes and all) whose level of functional limitation, is low enough to allow you to gain maximum benefit regardless. In other words, the software's reliability is wholly dependant on your capacity for patience, your ability to find work-arounds and of course, your personal preference and level of comfort in working in that environment.

 

Don't give up so easily in your search, but try to lower your level of expectations.

[hidr]

I am using AutoCAD Architectural Desktop for modeling, Autodesk Viz for modeling and rendering to a Windows XP computer with nothing else on it. (everything legal). I have five computers with these programs at the office (five different licenses for all).

 

The crashes are often and without reason. I am doing something and it crashes, then I am doing the same thing and it's not. There is no support too. (the answer usually is, "ok may be there is a bug" or "it is working to my computer"). Now I want to upgrade and I am thinking if I have to change 3d Application.

[Sawyer]

Hate to play cop here but a while back Jeff pointed out that he really does not want to have any Warez talk here. I know hidr wasn't going anywhere with this but I think we should just cut it off here. I don't think anyone is asking us to take an oath never to use warez but Jeff is running a company here. His clients may not want to think that the software they make & sell and advertise through Jeff is being advocated as cracked or illegit.

Also I think there may be legal issues to consider. I know I would not want anyone to think that at the forum I ran people were discussing non legal means of using or "purchasing" software. I wouldn't be surprised if thats the sort of thing a lawyer might bring up especially post NAPSTER

 

No offense intended.

[hidr]

Sorry for the post I didn't want to offent someone.

[bricklyne]

Hate to play cop here but a while back Jeff pointed out that he really does not want to have any Warez talk here. I know hidr wasn't going anywhere with this but I think we should just cut it off here. I don't think anyone is asking us to take an oath never to use warez but Jeff is running a company here. His clients may not want to think that the software they make & sell and advertise through Jeff is being advocated as cracked or illegit.

Also I think there may be legal issues to consider. I know I would not want anyone to think that at the forum I ran people were discussing non legal means of using or "purchasing" software. I wouldn't be surprised if thats the sort of thing a lawyer might bring up especially post NAPSTER

 

No offense intended.

 

Sawyer, I think you've completely misunderstood hidr's post. I have gone over this thread twice and haven't seen anyone suggesting he uses or tries out cracked software or warez; nor is he or anyone else soliciting or offerring cracked software or warez. In fact the only reference to the aforementioned is when someone suggested that that might have been the root cause of his program crashes and bugs, to which hidr responded that all his software and is legal.

 

To the best of my understanding hidr is at a crossroads trying to decide whether to upgrade his current ADT-VIZ setup that has been crashing a lot, or whether to switch completely to another application. hidr or anyone else, please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here.

 

hidr, I would also add to the earlier suggestion that had been made by a couple of others, that you check out C4D if you haven't already tried it. Although I don't frequently use it, during the number of times that I have used it, I have been impressed with it's stability. It also seems to me from what you said in your most recent post that your problem could just as (if not more) likely be related to your hardware setup more so than the software applications themselves. Sometimes things such as an incorrectly configured motherboard, poorly setup graphics card or inadequate memory (or even wrong type of memory) can be sources of a great many application errors. We had a system at our office that was assembled by the previous tech, guy, unlike the other systems which were purchased already set-up, and this machine would crash and shut down at the most random and inconvenient of times, and all the time. And for the longest time no one knew what the problem was until a hardware guy found out that the guy who originally setup the motherboard did a piss-poor job and messed up a lot of connections.

 

Anyway, in some of these things it's always best to let the experts do it, even when it seems straightfoward and easy to do. That would, of course, be assuming that this is the root cause of the problem.

[STRAT]

the point being made was that this site has a policy not to mention warez software, whether you're advancing it or condoning it. i've personally deleted a few posts over the last 2 days where it's mentioned.

 

even the word warez brings up further discussion, good or bad, which is not tollerated on the CGA forums.

[martincg]

I agree with Bricklyne, I checked posts in this thread and It was talking about stability of programs - and most of them is like trial version or learning edition too

 

- really do not understand Sawyer point

[STRAT]

 

- really do not understand Sawyer point

 

read my last post.

[martincg]

it is more clear now, but just for word ???? i can not belive

[AJLynn]

That sounds reasonable, let's just drop it - the original point that was about software stability doesn't apply here anyway.

 

Anyway, what I mean to say (in the on-topic sense) is that software in general tends to have a lot of bugs, but the 3D packages I've used seem to me to be more stable than most of the software out there. (Maybe that's part of why they cost so much - better than usual quality control?) I've had problems, but most of them have been caused by other factors (e.g. a buggy video driver - video drivers are some of the buggiest software out there - or my friend's Powerbook running C4D that would hard crash all the time, but it turned out to be a hardware problem).

 

This doesn't make it less aggravating when things crash, but it does mean that a lot of the time choosing a different program won't necessarily help. It would help to know what kind of crashes they are - does it crash when you turn on shading in viewports or display something very complex? When you load a huge model, during render, during network render? Is it a Blue Screen of Death or just a terminated program? Have you updated the video driver, tweaked the video settings? What kind of video card is it anyway? Do you have enough RAM? (At least 1GB) Do you regularly use antivirus, AdAware and Spybot? Are there a lot of things running in the background?

 

If it's not any of that causing problems, you probably are running afoul of Viz bugs - which wouldn't be shocking, I think Viz is the most frustrating 3D program I've used for various reasons. Consider switching - I find Max to be better (for stability and many other reasons) and it's probably better for your 5 computers - I know it has some licensing flexibility for render node installs, don't know if it's better for this than Viz. Max 7.5 and 8 have a Mental Ray version that does distributed bucket rendering (all your computers working together on one frame). VRay Advanced also does this, but better. Cinema4D (which rocks) has render node installs, I think you'd need the Studio bundle to get enough node licenses. But it doesn't do very well with network rendering a single large frame - the way I've seen this done is to use a camera feature it has where the frame is broken up in a 4x4 grid and the tiles go as different frames to the network render queue, then you Photoshop them together when it's done.