dual processor dual core

[Crazy Homeless Guy]

....anyone have any insight on any company that makes a dual processor dual core intel main board?

 

i have been waiting for this to come out for a long time, and so far i have found nothing. there was a thread awhile ago in anticipation of a board of this format.

[Ernest Burden III]

....anyone have any insight on any company that makes a dual processor dual core intel main board?

 

I looked on the Boxx site to see if there were any clues as to which MBs they use. Inerestingly...they don't list dual CPU/dual core in Intel, only in AMD. They have dual Xenons, is that what you want?

 

Anyway, if you can find a Boxx model that has the CPU setup you want, search for a review of that machine, it'll probably list which MB is used. Also, the Boxx site does mention which chipset they use, so that may be the way to find a mainboard.

 

Personally, I'm hoping to get Boxx's Condo--the quad AMD/dual core. I'll name the core 1L, 1R, 2L, 2R, etc. It's a processor apartment building. It may even sport an elevator. Intel would certainly be a walk-up.

[Crazy Homeless Guy]

I looked on the Boxx site to see if there were any clues as to which MBs they use. Inerestingly...they don't list dual CPU/dual core in Intel, only in AMD. They have dual Xenons, is that what you want?

 

Anyway, if you can find a Boxx model that has the CPU setup you want, search for a review of that machine, it'll probably list which MB is used. Also, the Boxx site does mention which chipset they use, so that may be the way to find a mainboard.

 

Personally, I'm hoping to get Boxx's Condo--the quad AMD/dual core. I'll name the core 1L, 1R, 2L, 2R, etc. It's a processor apartment building. It may even sport an elevator. Intel would certainly be a walk-up.

 

geesh. i am not so bright sometimes. i was looking all over Boxx's site for their 'Condo' series. i even googled it to find a link. then i realized your apartment building was converted to condos so you could maximize the curb value of your cores. yes, tossing in an elevator would probably be useful. you might want to do a separate freight only elevator. you are going to have to get the ram up there somehow. i would probably have the hard drives set in place by helicopters though.

 

how close are the quad core's to coming out? ...your post was the first i heard of them, so i googled those also. i didn't actually read anything, but it looks like the quad core's are not expected until 2007. that is a long wait. we have money approved to purchase new machines, and i really wanted it to happen this fiscal quarter.

 

i am pretty sure our IT department wanted to stick to Intel, but it might be worth talking to them about AMD. i run AMD at home, and have always been happy with them. in the office we tend to buy IBM/Lenovo. we started buying IBM before Lenovo bought the hardware division, or the licensing rights to the hardware division.

 

so who knows. originally i was i favor of sticking with intel also, just because i always tended to think that more apps were geared towards intel technology, and not amd. it is probably one of those mental things, coupled with the fact my first amd was a k6 200mghz or something like that. that was before amd went hardcore after intel. they were still monkeying around with low end processors. now i run a amd 3200 hundred at home. not the fastest processor, but i don't render on that computer.

 

i searched Boxx's website a couple of weeks ago. they don't offer the board i am looking for. i also searched several manufacturers, but still, no luck. only multi processor boards for amd multi core's. which is actually harder to search for than you might think.

 

we have Xeon's at work right now, but wanted to go with a cheaper processor so that we could upgrade more frequently without IT blowing a gasket about spending to much.

 

i will keep searching, and post anything i find.

[Ernest Burden III]

geesh. i am not so bright sometimes. i was looking all over Boxx's site for their 'Condo' series.

 

Sorry. Didn't mean to send you running after ghosts. the 'Condo' is my term.

 

And now, once again, I do the Boxx sales pitch. The machine I am talking about is not a quad core, its a quad/dual core, so 4x2=8. My Maxwell licence is for 8, nice fit (should Maxwell ever be released).

 

Boxx is supposed to be releasing this machine this year. I saw it at Siggraph. I talked to them about buying one. If you look at the 'news' section of the Boxx site there are two reviews of the machine. So when will it be out? I don't know, but I hope not 2007. Of course, it may be then before I can afford the sticker of $10K - $12K.

 

Now buying a Boxx, whether an AMD or Intel, is a good move. They aren't the cheapest, but arguably the best. The support is great. IBM's good with support, too, but Boxx knows workstations like we need inside and out.

 

You'ld think I was getting paid for this (and I'm not).

[DavidR]

Dual-core Intel sucks for the moment; if you have to buy now, AMD is the way to go, no question. Intel may be competitive with their next cores (Dempsey and Woodcrest), but you'll have to wait a few more months. Stay away from Paxville Xeons: performance is bad and cost 3x Opteron 275. Your IT guys need to get with the times. Good luck.

[David Knourek]

I have to agree with David R on this one, the AMD Opteron Dual cores are far superior to the Xeon Dual cores at the moment. There have been quite a few reviews floating around and by the looks of it AMD has the lead in just about all the dual core cpu's for the next 6 monts at least or untill Intel comes out with their next gen processors cause even they admitted that they droped the ball on the dual core P4's by rushing to keep up with AMD. There was a good article on it in either this months or last months MaximunPC mag. Also I think the Dual Core Opterons are cheeper than the dual core Xeons and one killer point is on the intel boards both dual core processors share the same memory banks where as AMD has a seperate bank of memory for each socket wether it be 2 or 4 sockets

 

-dave

[kippu]

The machine I am talking about is not a quad core, its a quad/dual core, so 4x2=8. My Maxwell licence is for 8,

 

i thought the licence was for machines and not for cores or processors ?

[jackb602]

i thought the licence was for machines and not for cores or processors ?

 

Nope, each license is limited to 4 CPUs. One dual core processor counts as two CPUs, but one CPU with Hyperthreading does not.

 

Jack

[moshenko]

....anyone have any insight on any company that makes a dual processor dual core intel main board?

 

If you really have to get one, Dell is now selling dual Xeon dual core workstations, although as others have advised, the price/performance ratio is questionable - and don't even mention power consumption!

[Crazy Homeless Guy]

And now, once again, I do the Boxx sales pitch. The machine I am talking about is not a quad core, its a quad/dual core, so 4x2=8. My Maxwell licence is for 8, nice fit (should Maxwell ever be released).

 

Boxx is supposed to be releasing this machine this year. I saw it at Siggraph. I talked to them about buying one. If you look at the 'news' section of the Boxx site there are two reviews of the machine. So when will it be out? I don't know, but I hope not 2007. Of course, it may be then before I can afford the sticker of $10K - $12K.

.

 

the machine you want can be produced right now providing they have a manufacturer for the main board. what i cam across was a press release for AMD's plan to release a single processot that is a quad core, not a dual core. so essentially four processors in one chip. ouch, that will be cool. ,,but they don't plan on releasing that chip until 2007, which probably means the end of 2007.

 

althogh i would be a little hesitant to fork over $12,000 for a machine unless i had a lot of disposable income. you are essentially paying 2.5 times as much for that machine than you would be for a normal machine that we would use. ..and it is not like patying more for a luxury car. after two years, the car is still as good as every other car on the road, even if it is not the latest model. a computer is a fancy door stop after a couple of year regardless of whether it was a top of the line model, or a celeron(sp).

 

a better investiment might be to start a rack mounted render farm.

[Crazy Homeless Guy]

i is becoming apparent just how far Intel is behind AMD by the simple fact that i can not find the board i wanted, but the equivelant board has been out for AMD's for some time.

 

i still want to avoid forking the cash for Xeon's, so i will look into the price of opterons, but i thought they were marked up a good deal also.

[DennisB]

Came across this the other day, new lower priced Opterons for the budget conscious.

[Crazy Homeless Guy]

Came across this the other day, new lower priced Opterons for the budget conscious.

 

thanks for the link.

 

i think we have a budget of around $3000-$3500 (haven't asked how much we did get approved for) for each machine. we are going to buy 3.

 

we are going to be, or were going to be looing at the following rough configuration..

 

multiprocessor dual core's

quadro card

4 gigs of ram

sata drive

wacom tablet

 

we don't need a ton of storage space on the machines since we work primarily off the network unless we are compositing animation footage, and we will reuse our current monitors.

 

i am not against using xeons, but currently i am working on a dual xeon 2ghz machne, and brian, who is on our team also, is using a dual core 3.4ghz(?) machine. given how much more we paid for this machine than we did his current machine, i don't feel they were worth it.

 

most of our cad machines on the floor are now 3.2 or 3.4 ghz dual cores with i think a gig of ram. they are not that much slower at rendering than my machine.

[Ernest Burden III]

i would be a little hesitant to fork over $12,000 for a machine unless i had a lot of disposable income...a better investiment might be to start a rack mounted render farm.

 

Not necessarily. Sticking with Boxx, but it should hold true for just about any maker--Buying 8 renderblades would cost more than my 8-core 'condo'. Buying 4 dual-core machines would cost more, as well, so would buying 2 dual CPU/dual core machines. In the condo you have ONE power supply, one video card, one HD, etc.

 

Another thing to consider is whether you want two, four eight --or one--set of network cables, monitors, UPS's, desk/rack space. Now you can use a keyboard/video switch for the render blades/slaves, but it all adds up in cost and complexity.

 

How the OS works out the addressing for the eight core I have no idea, I do know they will be using a server version of XP. Does that have all the normal functions of regular XPpro, or would we lose stuff to run a server OS?

 

But buying from Boxx or Dell or HP is better than building a machine. That's someone else's job, one they probably can do better than us. Polywell did a good job on a previous workstation for me. But now I would probably go back to Boxx for my next, even if it costs more.

[DennisB]

Anyone happen to notice this article discussing multiprocessing/muliticore?

 

D@D

http://www.gardenhose.com

Tree & Foliage Tools

[thomas+son]

not more than 2 hours ago I was cleaning out my "my Docs" folder and found the old attached PDF (small strange world).

 

(XI Quad with dual cores) Priced in Sep, shipping-- Now?

 

Thomas+son

[DennisB]

not more than 2 hours ago I was cleaning out my "my Docs" folder and found the old attached PDF (small strange world).

 

(XI Quad with dual cores) Priced in Sep, shipping-- Now?

 

Thomas+son

 

Wow, those new Opteron 165's would drop the total by over 10 grand. Probably could shave some off the video side too... or maybe not (it's 12 grand beyond my budget either way

[Crazy Homeless Guy]

not more than 2 hours ago I was cleaning out my "my Docs" folder and found the old attached PDF (small strange world).

 

(XI Quad with dual cores) Priced in Sep, shipping-- Now?

 

Thomas+son

 

2 video cards but only 1 monitor?

[DennisB]

2 video cards but only 1 monitor?

 

SLI...

 

thomas+son:

 

What kind of cooling for that box? Sounds like it could serve as office space heater too.

 

Anyone using liquid cooling here? Care to share experiences?

[thomas+son]

Sorry if you miss interpreted my post, I was posting just to show that XI is shipping quads. I do not have any experience with it

 

This PDf was created to show a friend of mine that quads with dual core with 16GB of ram was shipping.

 

I could never afford this computer. And do not have any experience with it

 

As far as cooling this computer the best thing to do would be find a reasturant gong out of business and by their walk-in freezer, I am sure under full load this thing would be HOT. I don’t even know if liquid could keep it cool?

 

ACTUALLY I was hoping by posting this someone maybe able to cut their rendering time by 1/6. (you will never get the full 1/8).

 

T+S

[DennisB]

 

I could never afford this computer. And do not have any experience with it

 

T+S

I wonder what it's like being able to afford a purchase like that.

 

Had to laugh. You posted the PDF and my mindset was to immediately cut costs by cutting features. There was a time I thought differently, not that I was budgeted any better

 

PS. It's 12 grand beyond my budget "after" substituting the $290 Opertons.

[mtutaj]

I have a question dealing with memory and dual core.. If you are using 4 gig in the system, how does XP work with that, do you have to install the 3 gig switch?

 

 

I'm looking at 4 systems myself..

 

Thanks,

 

Mike

[henrybroadhurst]

Hey sorry to redirect this slightly but this thread makes intersting reading...

 

I was planning to order a dual core dual processor pc next month, i want to use Maya and so also to plan to buy complete license, does this work in same way-I have to buy two licenses??!!! - don't think I'm on the same kinda budget as Boxx not an option, was looking at armari instead know someone who has one n v happy with it.- surely there must be some way round this dual license business-I won't be making double the income just want to have some sleep as well as working!!

 

Please help!..bring me good news!

 

Cheers, Henry

[mtutaj]

I can't speak for maya, but for max you only need one license, I would assume that maya would be the same. Just bought a dual core here last week. so far pretty impressed. I built it just to get started but need to pick up like 2 gig more of memory. 1 gig just doesn't cut it with the scenes I have to render using 3dsmax and finalrender.

 

Hope that helps.

 

Mike

[DennisB]

Hey sorry to redirect this slightly but this thread makes intersting reading...

 

I was planning to order a dual core dual processor pc next month, i want to use Maya and so also to plan to buy complete license, does this work in same way-I have to buy two licenses??!!! - don't think I'm on the same kinda budget as Boxx not an option, was looking at armari instead know someone who has one n v happy with it.- surely there must be some way round this dual license business.

 

Cheers, Henry

 

Are you talking about Windows or Maya?

 

You might have a look at these. The comments section often have some fairly knowledgable tech people posting. So even though you may not get the answer you hoped for, you'll likely gain some insight as to why that is.

 

http://www.anandtech.com/news/shownews.aspx?i=24507

 

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1834036,00.asp