RAYMOND Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 just trying to get some more input on this well known issue.. have friends that praise the mac too much... but some of the reviews look like the Boxx 64bit is close to or equal to the mac. of course autodesk will not run on mac... which is fine with me.... anyway thot the hype i hear about mac is over rated.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lambros Posted November 30, 2005 Share Posted November 30, 2005 that's one of the most common issues in today's computer world. Do a search in any computer forum and there will be a thread for pcvsmac. It is just a matter of taste: are you willing to choose faster performance, large userbase, loads of software, lower prices, or will you go for design, innovation, stability? I am into pcs but that's irrelevant;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAYMOND Posted November 30, 2005 Author Share Posted November 30, 2005 well.... i would agree with that.... but try telling that to a mac addict.. i am a pc user too but don't think switching over would be that much better even if autodesk ran on it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 .... but try telling that to a mac addict.. You can't tell them anything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 having used both, first mac for 3 to 4 years, then windows for 6+ years, i have found windows to be the better enviroment for what we do. partly because of the user base for 3d currently in the 3d enviroment, partly because the hardware is cheaper, and i.m.h.o., the working enviroment is faster. mac will have better color control, but that is the only area i have found to be at an advantage over windows. windows default color management is nothing short of pathetic. supposedly you have access to millions of colors, but they manage to squeeze them all into a ~300 pixel by ~150 box. oh, and typically installs of programs aren't nearly as messy on a mac as what they can be in windows. that being said, i have not used mac since the pre OSX days. i have used it since then, but not as a working enviroment, only to open old files. my opinion of their flashy operating system is that it pulls to many system resources. this is of such concern to me that i roll back windows XP to the look like Windows 2000. afterall, 50% of what they did between the 2 versions was put in fancy graphic skins that actually don't look that sexy. they say that the next major release of windows is supposed to resemble some of what mac did with OSX, and some of what Google did with their desktop search application. ..but if that is the only major difference, it will be another dissapointment. i have always longed for the day when the linux operating system becomes a true option for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAYMOND Posted December 1, 2005 Author Share Posted December 1, 2005 i think i would be on your side with this. hard to find someone who has been on both sides...so you are probably one of rare ones speaking from experience. I don't care too much for unneeded ui either... just something clean that works well.. well, who knows maybe there will be a marriage of the two some day.. another hollywood mariage tho... i will start working here soon where they have macs.... so i am bracing myself it all comes down to processers... of which the future will wow all of us.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Alexander Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Guess I'm under the impression that with Mac going Intel, presumably 64bit...Dual boot to osx-10+ or XP, may change a few minds to the 'darkside' LOL Mac is very entrenched in the print/vfx/cinema side of life....they do kind of rule the world in a "socialist republic of Steve Jobs" kind of way there, imho. Good solid systems, 1/4 step in back of the cutting edge PC systems. When I heard a friend had C4D lock-up a couple of times on a mac....six of one half a dozen of another between PC or MAC. OSX10 has all the same crap that XP does...just looks extra pretty. Apple service on hardware is...for some ?????worth waiting weeks to have them repaired/serviced...just to maintain the warranty. The PC is great for backyard tech mechanics and being able to create High performance and a reasonable cost. That's what I think, both good "tools" and really comes down to user preference or applications that create the best flow...whether PC or Mac-sometimes both....But with dual Boot, Apple might have a few more advantages, if you need to run some only mac based applications and PC ones. Cheers WDA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anvaraziz Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 hi hi ,,, is there a mac ver of 3dsmax ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeysee Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 Hey everyone. Just to put my oar in. I work with both platforms on a daily basis, and i can honestly say hand on heart - its doesn't matter 'cause they are both rubbish - as is linux. Linux is too hard for most users to deal with and has little commercial support - it is the last bastion of the techie. Mac is all about style over substance. The problem of mac ownership is cost, Apple are after all the only company to charge for service packs. Most apple users conveiniently forget this! As for less buggy - if i had a pound for every time i see the update manager in 10.4 id be a very rich man! (and yes, i do apply the patches it tells me to!) The common misconception is that the machines are 'more powerful' than the intel/amd based platforms. I think apples decision to go intel will put pay to that one. As mentioned above, macs colour handling is exceptional - hence graphic designers love of the platform. I have read numerous mac blogs etc. demonising micro$oft and bill gates in particular. Jobs is no better - infact I'd argue he is far worse! Enough Apple bashing... PC's are cheap, fact! They are well supported, fact! They are easy to upgrade, fact! They have more know viruses, trojans and spyware than all the other platforms combined, fact! Most of the supported software is full of bloatware and interfere with registry on every available oppertunity, fact! The Windoze OS is extremely 'fragile', fact! Not a day goes by without another security scare, fact! I could go on... My view on the PC vs. Mac debate is that it doesn't really matter - you are the one operating the machine, you are the one creating the work, so go with the platform that you feel comfortable using - or thats supports the software that you wish to use - I guarantee that the machine/OS that you choose will p*ss you off more often than not. Remember - it's the artist, not the machine/platform that produces the work. Its just a tool. I don't have much problem choosing a pen or a pencil, choosing a pc or mac is the same... Rant over, I'm glad i got that off my chest!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4DM Posted December 1, 2005 Share Posted December 1, 2005 I guarantee that the machine/OS that you choose will p*ss you off more often than not. Not wanting to encourage a platform war here, but I love my G5 Mac. It does not piss me off at all! Not having to worry about viruses and a very, very stable and reliable OS (currently using Panther 10.3.8 - newest is Tiger 10.4), plus a well designed GUI are all points worth considering. No problems with peripherals or drivers because they have to be Mac compatible anyway. The upfront cost may possibly be higher in pure cash terms, but they tend to be used for longer, and downtime due to hardware incompatibilties, crashes and viruses can cost more in lost worktime than the whole machine if you think about it - but I can honestly say that I don't have that problem. The latest Quad is also very fast - just under a Quad Opteron in Cinebench tests, though I don't own that one (yet! ). The main drawback IMO is poorer OGL viewport rendering, and some software unavailablity - though I am v. happy with using VW and C4D rather than 3dsMax. So take your choice, but most Mac users love their computers - hence the legendary evangelism, I suppose. Good luck. D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notamondayfan Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 in my oppinion, macs r 4 posers they buy em 2 look cool in their trendy appartment. ive used macs in uni, and cant stand em. in some versions u cant do things like have multi session cdr's! my friends in graphics, and she has a mac laptop thingy, but really struggles 2 get hold of basic progs like flash and photoshop at a decent price. and also hardware must b harder 2 upgrade / buy. also wiv a pc u arent tied 2 windows, u cud use linux or another operating system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted December 13, 2005 Share Posted December 13, 2005 As a PC user for almost two decades I don't have much to say about the Mac (except, maybe, "what took you so long?"). When I started doing 3D there was no 3D software for the mac. There was no Mac, either, just Apples. But you asked 'BOXX vs Mac'. BOXX is a brand of PCs and is very good. There are other threads here so search to read more praise. BOXX costs more, but I think they are worth it for quality of hardware, assembly, integration/tested together, and support from BOXX if something goes wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAYMOND Posted December 13, 2005 Author Share Posted December 13, 2005 the more i look into it... the better BOXX looks.. also, i think it has been interesting to see mac's true colors a little bit.. not to downgrade or anything like that of course... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xeunox Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 old topic, years passed, how is it faring now. In my opinion all i care about at this point in time is to get the best solution for my 3dsmax 9 using mostly mental ray. As a freelancer i do not have the resources that larger companies have at this point so to acquire the meanest hardware setup money can buy is out of the question. PC - Pros - cheaper, more readily available.(not talking about brand names) - Cons - Stability, overheating, every next it guys says no use this instead of that, general layman confusing (yea its a war out there) Mac - Standard components WYSIWYG, Stability(crash differently), Loads of out of the box programs blah blah blah the list is long but distinguished. and relatively cheap. Cons - if something breaks, you are going to wait, especially in my country, and replacement cost is incredibly high due to the demand of tech support and component close integration. at the end of all that a question can i format a mac, install windows vista 64bit or similar Xp64 and run 3dsmax 9. All i want is a robust solution to handle most of my glass/reflection obsessed clients who all want 300dpi prints on A4...(puts head in hands and starts shaking uncontrollably thinking of overshot deadlines and angry people) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted October 2, 2007 Share Posted October 2, 2007 Yes, but considering: all i care about at this point in time is to get the best solution for my 3dsmax 9 using mostly mental ray you should build your own or go to a cheap PC seller. Macs are for people who want good computers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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