Ernest Burden III Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 I just think most people stopped caring. ... Don't read too much into this, but I just found this in a post in the C4D section of cgTalk: ThomasAn. - Veteran ....(I am new to Vray) Thanks It is a vRay vs MWR thread, shows a page from Italy with a bunch of images, some comparisons. He is asking about a few minor visual differences between the MWR and vRay PPT images, and how to fix them in vRay. Maybe he's moved on. Too bad I don't seem able to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adehus Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Interesting link in that CGTalk thread (IMHO Vray fares well in the comparison), and you're right- there seems to be something very revealing in the comments from one of the participants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamT Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 He's probably getting started with the VRay beta for Rhino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ki_cz Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 This is an awesome test: http://www.treddi.com/upload/cecofuli/Upload/02%20-%20Tutorial/08%20-%20Vray_Vs_Maxwell/25.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 That's ridiculous, after how many months of waiting we get RC5 and it's half as fast as the beta with just as many problems only now it's packaged in a useless 3D app with overly complicated materials. Some one wake me up because I seem to be stuck in a Maxwell nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Some folks bought into Maxwell because their 3d app of choice was supposed to be supported. Some folks bought into Maxwell because of the proposed GUI. Neither group of folks is wrong for expecting both. Both were promised. Never in the sales pitch did it say that the supported plug-ins would eventually de-evolve into file exporters. Well that's what we've got. And a poor exporter at that - the least it could do is preserve bitmap associations and UV mapping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamT Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 The Cinema plugin is actually working pretty okay with the latest update. Bumps are fixed (but appear to be inverted) and we can load mxm files from Studio. Hopefully the other plugins will be updated soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 In my case, it helps when you have the latest max plug-in installed! Long story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskey Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 wow! we're really drowning in information since RC5 was released ...could someone post any news on RC6 or V1 as soon as they appear here (cuz NLs e-mails rarely land in my inbox) ..i'm bored checking the maxwell site for any clues cuz even the other posts are a bore..thanx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 It was just enough to shut most people up for a couple weeks, but not enough to be interesting to talk about. It's the beta renderer! With the materials editor! It pretty much works! (Except for the stuff that doesn't.) You can see why I've lost interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskey Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 sad thing is NL won with their tactics not to communicate. no one still has the energy to get them to communicate - litigations are way too costly and timeconsuming - they knew that too, so they don't worry 'bout that thinking 'hey we already got your money, what do we care?. and they're loughing their a**es off in their office 'bout mislead ppl like me (a fact). adding to this i read solidworks premium 2007 adds (besides the routing and cosmosworks add-in) now even the cosmosmotion add-in. great! i paid 24'000$ for those plugs seperately..and now they're basically included in a simple 2500$ upgrade from SWX office professional..so i just lost another 22'000$..great week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 And here I was feeling sorry for people who bought Power Booleans right before Autodesk started giving it away. But I'm not giving up on NL - I'll be patient until June, and if they haven't substantially improved I'll block the charge on my next subscription payment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 no one still has the energy to get them to communicate Maybe I'll get the energy. I'm not looking forward to being cast as the 'bad guy' by NL's most ardent supporters. Can't please everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 Maybe I'll get the energy. I'm not looking forward to being cast as the 'bad guy' by NL's most ardent supporters. Can't please everybody. Those guys already hate you, so you might as well go for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rivoli Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 Those guys already hate you that's way too drastic, nobody hates anybody, it's a tamed community after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 it's a tamed community after all. sedated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adehus Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 Maybe I'll get the energy. I'm not looking forward to being cast as the 'bad guy' by NL's most ardent supporters. Can't please everybody. Needless to say, you've got my enthusiastic thumbs up... I'd love to see someone snap them out of their smug complacency. Go for it! BTW, to Whiskey's point earlier- It is no surprise to me to hear that they get a good laugh from how they're screwing everyone over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 to Whiskey's point earlier- It is no surprise to me to hear that they get a good laugh from how they're screwing everyone over. I really hope that isn't true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamT Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 I really hope that isn't true. I'd be surprised if it was. After all, the negative feedback is clearly screwing them out of a lot of sales they'd have otherwise made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adehus Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 I'd be surprised if it was. After all, the negative feedback is clearly screwing them out of a lot of sales they'd have otherwise made. I know what you're saying, but I'd guess they realize that they've long since screwed themselves over as far as selling many more pre-order licenses is concerned. Everything I've seen of them (coupled with the credibility of Whiskey's one-time working relationship w/them) leads me to believe that there are at least a few among them who get some sort of perverse pleasure out of the fact that users who now dislike them are stuck with paying for their (non)development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamT Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 I know what you're saying, but I'd guess they realize that they've long since screwed themselves over as far as selling many more pre-order licenses is concerned. Everything I've seen of them (coupled with the credibility of Whiskey's one-time working relationship w/them) leads me to believe that there are at least a few among them who get some sort of perverse pleasure out of the fact that users who now dislike them are stuck with paying for their (non)development. Who knows, maybe they are yukking it up. Personally I wouldn't be too amused if I'd made myself the laughingstock of the entire industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ki_cz Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 sad thing is NL won with their tactics not to communicate. no one still has the energy to get them to communicate - litigations are way too costly and timeconsuming - they knew that too, so they don't worry 'bout that thinking 'hey we already got your money, what do we care?. and they're loughing their a**es off in their office 'bout mislead ppl like me (a fact). adding to this i read solidworks premium 2007 adds (besides the routing and cosmosworks add-in) now even the cosmosmotion add-in. great! i paid 24'000$ for those plugs seperately..and now they're basically included in a simple 2500$ upgrade from SWX office professional..so i just lost another 22'000$..great week I understand your frustration whiskey, but in all honesty, you seem like certain beta testers have been pretty flakey in the case of maxwell render. Several beta testers said that the "RC" was a huge step and a great improvement. We all know that they had to slap the RC together in order to get it out, with a huge list of problems, but the only render we saw from the beta testers was 2 spheres covered in car paint. If the engine beta testers were working with was so great, then why didn't the beta testers post some more of their results with it? I highly doubt that NL is sitting around laughing, I suspect that they are still panicking because they don't want to lose any more business. NL has established itself on the renders that it's users provide to sell the product. If the users are presented with an unusable product, there are no new renders to sell the product. There's no way they are laughing behind closed doors. Granted, their business tactics are reprehensible and their communication even worse, but they still need to make money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rivoli Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 the timing of your change of sides was curious to say the least, especially after touting maxwell as terrific until the tides turned. that's not exactly what happened, i remember whiskey knocking nl in more than one occasion long before rc1 came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamT Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 Yep, Whiskey was always pretty hard on NL, which is why I was so surprised that they asked him to beta test. He was enthusiastic about the RC for a while, but I gather that's because the separate parts the testers were given *did* work well. It was only when everything was assembled into the RC (which was *not* tested) that it fell apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 This is a warning. There have been allegations made here that border on slander. Please do not use this forum to make allegations against Next Limit or anyone else. Please do not presume insights into people's motives or relay unsubstantiated claims that could pose a liability to CGArchitect or its owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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