olbo Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Hello all, just curious because I can't find the post anymore. I'm not sure if it is deleted or not ... hmm. There was a huge discussion going on about the RC(1?) and Oskit was really kind and answered a lot of questions. Then in the middle of the thread someone asked why this is happened. Oskit said something like, There are Problems ...blah, blah ... and then he said: We were 23, now we are 17 ... huh? note: I don't speak spanish, I've used the google translation thingy, but for me it was pretty interessting. So the question is, what was going on? A friend of mine is doing ActionScript and he told me, that he implements a backdoor in every Flash Application he is programming, because of some employer that do not pay ... The question is, ... those 5 guys that aren't any more at Next Limit, did they sabotage the core, or even delete some important code snippets? Well I'm not a programmer and I don't know if NL is documenting there code or not. But just imagine what would happen if this was the case ... Sorry for the long read and remember, I can't proof those lines, because I do not find the post anymore. But please, if you know something about this or even read those lines in the spanish forum, ... let "us" know. Well, have a nice weekend and thanx for stopping by. :D edit: Just wanna add, of course it could be the other way around, those five where the cul-de-sac ... hmm. Only NL knows the truth, ... no? ;o) take care Oleg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamT Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 I do remember seeing that post, but I think it's a pretty *huge* leap to infer that there was some kind of sabotage. I'm sure it's just that there's too much work and not enough workers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 That sounds very, very unlikely. And impossible in most software companies - daily multiple backups, daily or weekly on a media that's not erasable like CD-R, offsites, CVS... But losing 6 people would definitely slow the progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 But losing 6 people would definitely slow the progress. Did they lose six people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 I don't know anything more than is in this thread. If I knew Spanish, would I know what the heck is going on at NL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 If I knew Spanish, would I know what the heck is going on at NL? No, you wouldn't. So often when Victor has been accused of making misleading notices we hear that its a language barrier. Well, of course. But then the Spanish speaking users would be getting clear, understandable messages... which they are not. So that's a false excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olbo Posted January 21, 2006 Author Share Posted January 21, 2006 @AdamT Well Adam, I guess you'r right. It was not my intention to point to a sabotage, but hey what do I know ... It is just interessting that a lot of posts get deleted ... that the RC's are very different from beta and that the "new Materials" are the only superduper news. A lot of new posts from Tom presenting the new BSDF core material options, but always on point ... what I mean is, that there is no more fantastic scene where people get overwelmed because of such beautiful images like beta ... Well I know, new core, new materials ... but something is not there, that was giving me the impression, that they have to search for the miracle ... again. So what do you think, why would a company that has a lot of work in sight "minimize" their employee? I was just thinking about that and wanted to read that post again to try to understand the connections. Of course this is all speculation, but honestly ... this isn't forbidden. ;o) Have a nice weekend. take care Oleg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adehus Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 So what do you think, why would a company that has a lot of work in sight "minimize" their employee? That is an interesting question to me. Maybe the personality/personalities at NL who have done such a good job of creating policies that annoy/mislead the users also aren't terribly likeable in the eyes of NL's employees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olbo Posted January 21, 2006 Author Share Posted January 21, 2006 @Adehus Hmm, ... if I do understand you right, ... if I would be an employee and I wouldn't agree with the way my company is dealing with the whole situation - than I have to go ... of course I would go, there are other firms! take care Oleg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 why would a company that has a lot of work in sight "minimize" their employee? If that's ever happened, which I don't know anyhting about. But how about this--running low on cash? That's a pretty common reason to lay off staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olbo Posted January 21, 2006 Author Share Posted January 21, 2006 @Ernest Huh? You are so right ... haven't thought about that. take care Oleg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamT Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Here's the original post by Oskit: http://www.maxwellrender.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9729&highlight= As usual with NL it's hard to tell what exactly it means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 I don't think it necessarily means anything, it might just mean that they have 22 staff and 17 of them are on the Maxwell team full time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olbo Posted January 21, 2006 Author Share Posted January 21, 2006 Thanx Adam. I don't think it necessarily means anything, it might just mean that they have 22 staff and 17 of them are on the Maxwell team full time. But it could ... I guess everything is fine ... NL as usual. take care Oleg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max3D Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 The way I read it is even more positive. 'We are now (with) 22' strongly suggests a staff increase. "now 17 smart guys focus and working on Maxwell" means that the increase was at the coding site of the company. Apparently they have five people who do other stuff. Oskit is marketing manager, Maya does dealer contacts, writes readible english for mail announcements etc, Victor writes unreadible announcements. So three are accounted for. I'm pretty sure they employ a phone operator and I guess someone does accounting so there you are. edit- and there is Tom who doesn't code I think. But then again they later claimed to be with 23 people. Maybe his status is unclear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olbo Posted January 21, 2006 Author Share Posted January 21, 2006 Thanx Max for your input, this shows one more time ... there is a language barrier that is doin' no good. And of course I do remember some guys from school ... there english wasn't that good and they felt ashamed and did not dare to speak english ... So NL should go to school again ... btw. my english isn't good either but at least I try to. take care Oleg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I seriously doubt that a company that has plans on doing international business especially with the US would not have someone on staff that speaks fluent English. To me the language barrier conspiracy theory never made much since, but then again noting NL does makes much since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Hi, i think there isn't a language barrier, just a professional barrier! On the spanish forum they also don't understand what is going on. I understand spanish and Oskit was making a lot of firm statements before - and we can say now they are also empty ones - and them he disapear weeks ago - there is even a spanish user who makes fun about this disapering - ¿DONDE ESTA OSKIT? :-/ = Where is Oskit? - on is signature, or under his avatar. Oskit show up recently, make a small statement and them someone said that Oskit and Oscarmaxwell ae the same person This is too much insanaty for me, right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ivox3 Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 ......sorry just stumbled on the thread. I don't think it's out of the question (sabotage). It seemed to me that when RC1 was released that there was complete shock on the side of NL. ..just my perception ......but who in their right mind would release something broken like that knowing that the mob was already angry? insanity, ..it would be .....and it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 Chris, there was only shock on the part of the non-NL beta-testers. Not anyone from Next Limit, especially not tom. In fact, NL was completely silent for several days. IMO, they released RC1 just to say they released something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ki_cz Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 The "beta testers" who "tested" RC1 before it was released should have their licences revoked. They all somehow came up with the same lousy excuse "well, all of the features were fine for a bit, then they had to disable them for release", but they couldn't provide any renders that they did with their product. Another thing, why doesn't Next Limit release the program that was used to generate the apparent RC1 pics prior to release??? It was faster than beta, worked with most of the materials, and looked fine. This would appease people a lot more than an RC5 which is basically the beta, with an idiot studio program tacked on, has some pretty materials, and is just as slow, if not slower. Give out the program that showed MUCH FASTER renders, unless those were absolute lies??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamT Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 According to the testers, NL never gave them the integrated program to test prior to RC1's release. NL just gave them bits and pieces, which apparently worked okay in isolation. NL then wired everything together, zipped it up, and released it untested. It would have been shocking if it *did* work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ki_cz Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 And has an answer ever been provided as to what program was used to make the "RC" images on the NL website prior to its release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 And has an answer ever been provided as to what program was used to make the "RC" images on the NL website prior to its release? No, causing some people so suggest it was Photoshop. never proven... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 And has an answer ever been provided as to what program was used to make the "RC" images on the NL website prior to its release? According to tom, it was the new core with the beta materials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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