Stand against Piracy

[matt_vinoir]

well at the end of the day, it isn't right to use illegal copies, we all know that, even students.

 

However, like the ridiculous traffic situation in england. it is hard to work. We are told that we shouldn't use cars and should use public transport, yet there is not decent public transport available.

 

Autodesk is improving but others are very lame.

I bought a 2yr licence for viz for i think 99 pounds and the same for archicad and vectorworks.

 

I don't mind paying it but when someone said that it isn't much to pay. What!!!!!!

 

Remember we are architecture students. appart from the software we have to buy the machine, print out 4-6 A1 sheets ( one test print one final) which is 60 pounds every 3 months we have to buy all the modelling materials for that every 3 months too!! we have field trips to vienna and swtzerland when is 600 pounds.

 

As for the software. In our university we generally model in archicad and draw in vectorworks.

 

This means in gereral one would need the following programmes:

 

archicad

vectorworks

illustrator

viz/max

(other plugins if needed)

indesign

photoshop

word (for spellings)

 

thats quite alot of student prices to amount to!!

 

In europe there are very few companies who don't have 100% legit software. When we graduate we have skills in software that they can be presured to buy for our skills. As a student we are turning our selves into mini marketing people for the software companies. There is such a wide choice of software that this is really important.

 

So at the end of the day, i don't want to get into trouble so i fork out the money for my software. I did however receive a version of brazil that i thought was a beta version. it wasn't and slutterfish were straight on to me to remove it which i did. It was a wake up call. Every student on my university course had warez. It has become a way of life. I must be the only person who doesn't. The university won't pay out for all the software wee need so there is little choice. No-one from university preaches about the wrongs of non legit software do they!!! lol

[nisus]

So in the end... will is be pay per use? pay per profit? or something else?

 

mmm... just changing topics a bit:

What about the gallery Jeff? Since many students post their images, how will you have a look at 'legally' made images?

 

rgds

 

nisus

[mzagorski]

I agree with Matt and have similar experiences.

 

If I got $1 for every time I heard a student say "Can I get a copy of X software" then I'd be bloody rich!

 

A lot of students that I know just dont get the picture. I worked hard on my practical training year and managed to buy a few software packages that I had wanted for a long time. I get student asking me if they can "just get a copy"... like ... hell no, I paid my hard earned cash for it, so they can do the same.

 

Anyway... I'm by no means an Angel and once upon a time I was using warez... That's how I managed to learn half the software that I now own - and it probably helped my make the decision to buy legit license.

[ingo]

>>So in the end... will is be pay per use? pay per profit? or something else?

 

I think pay-per-use will be an option, you pay a yearly fee, of course updates included. The advantages, i know what i have to pay per year and the software companies know what they get and too. It worked in the old Unix times decades ago, why not today ?

 

>>What about the gallery Jeff? Since many students post their images, how will you have a look at 'legally' made images?

 

Jeff should made a gallery for legally made pictures and one for pictures made with illegal software, that makes it easier to watch. The political correct ones watch only the first gallery, the ones who dont care can watch both galleries.

[seismograph]

I think pay-per-use will be an option, you pay a yearly fee, of course updates included.

Good idea, even if the price would be higher on the end.

One of the reason i don't like the expensive apps (€400+) is that i can't pay off it it within the same year...

 

It worked in the old Unix times decades ago, why not today ?

..because companies are interested in quick money, without administrative efford.

...and if they are market leader (like Microsoft or Autodesk) then they can do with you whatever they want (you have paid the full price, will you sue them if there is a bug or securety hole? )... no need for quick bugfixes ...you know what i mean?

 

SW-companies dictate the rules and they know there is no warranty or guaranty for the enduser that the software is free if errors and fully functional when he buy it.

[plastic]

Originally posted by ingo:

Stephen :

This is of course illegal, although Lightscape is now discontinued. Just look at the license agreement. Only the owner of a software can donate it, in this case Discreet.

not true, unless you live in the usa.

in europe there is no way someone can forbid you selling your licenses. this kind of licence agreements/restrictions are not legally founded, they are null and void. especially in germany. (read c/t)

just look at ebay. a lot of people are selling their autocad and archicad dongles or licences.

we bought oem windows versions on their own (without hardware). there is a big print on the cds "this oem version may only be purchased with a computer etc. etc."

dealers sell oem software, because the oem thing is a microsoft law, but nothing more.

[Tony]

Does this mean I am now required to include my serial number and licemse i.d. number with every render so that I'm not suspected of being a thief?

 

If someone asks a question "How can I do this better" are they automatically suspect?????

 

I don't support the use of warez for profit and never will, the legit owners are enough competition for me. But, I certainly don't support useing a forum such as this, to turn over to authorities or anyone for that matter, individuals that are not 100% legal with all their software.

 

The word "professional" has often been used to describe this forum and it's members, lets not change that by becoming the "software police" for "potential" advertisers on this site. I have yet to see a splutterfish add, by the way. Why is that? Due you think it's because they suspected that someone on this forum is a warez user? I don't think so.

 

Advertisers place their adds here because they believe it will be seen by a large group of people in their products field, no other reason, period.

 

I have learned more about my chosen profession from this site than any of the manuals that came with my software. I thought that was the reason for this site, to learn from each other and to make new friends with people that have the same passion for this as I do. Am I wrong about that as well?

 

I personally will not accuse someone of being a thief or refuse to offer them help because they don't have as much experience as others on this forum. But that's just me! I'm still learning, and probably always will be.

 

I truly hope that this forum will remain friendly and not change due to this paranoia about warez.

 

Frankly, the vast majority of the members here don't have to worry about some new warez user competing with them for a job, their to good at what they do. Years of experience and talent can't be pirated or stolen. Lets try to remember that.

 

Tony

[Jeff Mottle]

No I am not going to require people to post their serial numbers, that is ridiculous. And no asking questions is not going to make you a suspect either. But what will get you banned and IF ASKED reported to the autorities is being blatent about posting questions that obviously indicate you are using warez AND having a vendor for example come to me and indicate so.

 

A lot of fuss has been made over my willingness to cooperate with autorities IF ASKED, and this was done to up the bar. If you did not already notice I posted many messages on the forum and it is even even written in the forum rules which you agree to when you sign up, that I don't tollerate warez etc. But none of that seemed to work and I continued to get emails from vendors telling me about people on this forum who were using illegal copies. I posted this as a deterant for the 1% of people who are not professionals, so that this board remains professional for all of you.

 

And to answer you question that advertisers will not advertise becuase of warez, you are dead wrong. I know for a fact that this does play a decision in an advertisers choice, becuase I have been told so.

 

To quote you: "I have learned more about my chosen profession from this site than any of the manuals that came with my software."

 

There is a good reason for that and that is becuase this site is filled with professionals with years of professional experience, but if I don't put my foot down it would not be long before this forum becomes like many others on the net that are plagued with unprofessional comments, and posts and are filled with people using illegal software. I am doing this to keep the crap out, not to hurt our loyal and professional visitors, but some just don't seem to understand that.

 

Anyway, I'm so tired of having to defend myself on this all over the internet. People can make of it whatever they like and jump to whatever conclusions they want. At the end of the day I run the site and for over a year and half have devoted much of my life to getting this site to where it is. If you don't get that I am just trying to keep this place a great place to visit then you just don't get it.

 

I have posted once on each forum that started to talk about my actions and have bascially re-iterated what I just said above and refuse to post again on this subject. Everyone knows where I stand and hopefully why I am doing this, so there is nothing else to be said. I am starting to see why these software vendors are at their wits end with this crap.

 

Anyway...that's it from me. On to more important threads.

[nisus]

[ms reich]

Hello,

 

Did someone gave an answer to Dreamers question, what are people in "developing" countries like egypt, or serbia supposed to do with software.

Salaries here are average 150$ a month and there are only a few pc artists that pay for legit software instead of food...

 

From what i understood in that press release is that software piracy is wrong because cg architect wont get any sponsores and that will cripple the world of proffesional artists.

 

For that splutterfish add, i think they are the ones at loss if they dont advertise on this site. The sole purpose of advertising is that a large number of people will see it. Other forums are full of people who dont care if you are using warez or not, they care for good renderings and making friends and communication.

 

I dont think that half a can of pepsi a day would motivate the students. I would rather pay a dollar for a cdrw and get the newest version of a software to learn on than paying for an old one.

 

I cant participate in those other sub-topics because i live far away from all those goings, these insurance/investment terms are alien to me.

 

What would you people do with a 2000$ a year salary, or paying half a million dollars for your software and having an opportunity to buy pirated cdr for 600$?