Using BIM in the real world

[angelo]

ArchiCAD AND Revit are both very good programs when it comes to BIM. With the advanced level these programs have progressed to, it really results in personal preference.

 

As for getting back on topic:

 

The direct use 3D in the field, I'd say no, it's not really being done now, but that doesn't mean it isn't being used in the trailer on the job site.

 

I'm also intrigued by 3D DWF files and now within the last week Adobe's announcement of 3D Acrobat capabilities. I do find it sad that a company as big as Adobe can't introduce something like 3D Acrobat for a reasonable sum (i.e. free or a small upgrade price).

 

$1000 bucks for a seat! That will help them loose the war with Autodesk and DWF...

 

Angelo

[bricklyne]

How anybody can say they like the interface is beyond me. Written by Hungarians in the 1980's. There must be a big language translation problem. .............

Hope you like the windows that are supplied with the program, because you'll never draw a custom window yourself. That requires GDL programing. Even the dealers don't know how to program in GDL.

 

Wow, and it only took, what, let's see........... 25 posts, for someone to attempt to turn what, up until then had been a decent informative discussion on BIM technology, into a mindless Revit vs ArchiCAD debate. Must be a new record or something; good job...............

 

As for creating custom objects and GDL programming, here's an example of a custom door created in ArchiCAD (first image below) without the use of plugins, without the use of a single GDL code line nor GDL programming, and completely and exclusively using the program's native modelling tools. It would seem like; either a) I actually know how to use the program, or b)the person who claims you need to know GDL programming to do something like this, had no clue regarding what they were talking about. This was created in ArchiCAD v8.0, a more rudimentary and less robust version than the most recent version 9.0. Perhaps, "those Hungarians" really do know a thing or two .......

 

Just in case I've also included the ArchiCAD wireframe and workspace screenshots witha close up of the same door during th building's design.

 

Do note, however, that I do not know how to program in GDL, and that I also don't speak a lick of Hungarian;......yet I was somehow able to figure this out,.........and without getting lost in translation, no less. It's also interesting to note that none of the people giving their PERSONAL albeit admittedly biased opinions of ArchiCAD prior to the aforementioned post, mention a single thing regarding Revit. Maybe because, unlike some, they prefer not to comment on programs they either don't know how to use, or are not authorities on, nor do they provide second-hand opinions and quotes by people who may or may not know how to use the program neither, or at best have rather questionable working knowledge of how to perform the most basic of tasks, in the program.

 

 

........sometimes, just because you're unable to find the gas pedal, doesn't necessarily mean that the car doesn't work.

 

 

(P.S. angelo, you'll come to find that some people have a rather hard time loving one thing without having the urge to needlessly tear down others.)

[reddy]

This is a really interesting discussion. I think the potential of BIM is just beginning to be realised. Products are now becoming more and more versatile and able.

I think one of the main obstacles to BIM was the worry that only "standard architecture" (ie with standard details, forms of construction, doors, windows etc) could be created as intelligent models.

However the use of these applications by Gehry, calatrava and the like has gone a long way to refuting this.

In a few years it'd be conceivable that building products will be published on the web as intelligent objects for use in BIM. This would mean architects all over the world have access to a huge catalogue of models containing information regarding prices, fitting, u values etc.

BIM models also have enormous potential for environmental modelling. Soon all buildings in Ireland will be assigned a rating according to their energy performance. BIM models will hopefully aid the design process in testing a designs environmental performance.

Its a really interesting and exciting area and one which architects are foolish to ignore.