Crazy Homeless Guy Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 opinions....? color matching? performance? eye strain? i am bringing this up for 2 reasons. the first being that we are considering replacing our monitors at work on the 3d stations, and i want recomendations based on what people use. the second, there was a thread on color calibration a couple of days ago, and Christopher Nicholas mentioned he still uses CRT because of color accuracy was superior to that of LCD. at least that is what i think was said. i have never used an LCD on a regular basis, so i have no idea how they copare. right now i use 2 17" Viewsonic Pro Series PF775, and i love them. i have them set at 1280x1024. what i really like about them... the glass is nearly flat, i hate the curve of a lot of CRT monitors. the text displays really well, the letters are clean, no pixelating on their edges. i am very particular about how my monitor looks and displays. after all, i stare at them for several hours at a time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted January 26, 2006 Share Posted January 26, 2006 unless you spend a small fortune on a tft you wont get the performance of a reletively cheap crt. i've just bought new kit at home and in work and went for crt's all the way purely because of the better colour defenition. the tft's just didnt have that subtly i was looking for. the colour contrasts were too great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animart Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 CRT give you more color precision LCD you can work hours and days and weeks without pain eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Nelson Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 A calibrated lcd monitor is a beautiful thing. Right now I have one crt and one lcd, and I think when the time comes to replace the old crt, I will switch to dual lcd's. Maybe the color is better still in crt's but I certainly can't tell. Actually I think my lcd looks better overall, and it's not even high end. Easier on the eyes too & more desk space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radioVOY Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 Im getting ready to replace my two CRT's (IBMP260 21" flat screen), I love this monitors because the contrast, brightness, dot pitch pixel .255mm, size and acuracy, but my eyes are tired and my head about to explode as a result of 8 hours from a few inches of a 40 inches monitor ( 2x20" real size of a 21"). I just find one monitor that looks like it would fit my requeriments, its a 20.1" Dell 2001fp the specs looks great and the price is afordable, considering my health and the space saving, it woth the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 to be honest i've used crts for 20 years plus every day and my face is on average 1-2 foot away from the screen, and personally i've never once suffered headaches or bad eyes in all that time. if you are going to buy tft's, then dont buy the cheaper budget ones. make sure you spend a fair bit of dosh on a nice one. quality wise you really do get what you pay for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfienoakes Posted January 27, 2006 Share Posted January 27, 2006 We have just bought a formac 19" LCD monitor, and the picture is very good. I use a 19" trinitron CRT at work, along side a cheap 15".. and the difference between them is huge.. The CRT is soo much better.. but what do you expect with a cheap LCD.. Don't buy a cheap LCD.. you can pick up cracking ones at 19" now for about 300 quid.. which is great value.. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexthg Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 I've never use lcd, but thinking of switching too. Can anyone recommend any LCDs manufacturers or models which can really compare with CRTs in term of color/contrast/brightness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Working with a 24"Dell Widescreen LCD. Absolutely love it and the 9:1 built-in card reader is nice. I moved from dual 17"Viewsonic LCDs to this monster and I cannot be happier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salf Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 mmmmmmmm.........not sure if i did a bad investment or is just a matter of settings. I just bought my new PC, but first some bakground: -check my country, so you get an idea of my income. -Im an architect, the PC will be for personal use, however i do freelance 3d work from time to time, but its not my day job. Ok, with that said, i ended up buying an AMD 64 3200, 1 gb ram, GeForce 6800 GS 256 mb, and a brand new LCD monitor, my first one. Ok, now...Ive always used CRTs before, Samsumgs syncmasters......this new LCD is an ACER 17", not top of the line, I know, but it isnt the cheapest out there, so i guess it would be on that mid user budget level along with regular syncmasters, it actually costed just 10 or so dollars cheaper than the LCD samsungs. Anyhooooo......i just installed it, and brought from work a render im doing for testing my new system. Open up the scene in MAX and hit render......after some minutes (3 times faster than in my old pc...nice!) the render is pretty dark..........compared with the same scene on my office CRT this one is different......a lot.......now, I tried some calibration, but i dont know, pumping up the brightness doesnt do it.....and the Nvidia card has also some software for calibration, but no matter what i did, i still see it too dark (in the shadow areas of the render). So im basically asking: - Can I match my old Samsumg CRT syncmaster overall look, with this ACER? - Is there a software that could help me on this? (remember my background, i wont buy some state of the art calibration software, im not wokring on PIXAR or something) - Any tips? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted February 21, 2006 Author Share Posted February 21, 2006 mmmmmmmm.........not sure if i did a bad investment or is just a matter of settings. I just bought my new PC, but first some bakground: -check my country, so you get an idea of my income. -Im an architect, the PC will be for personal use, however i do freelance 3d work from time to time, but its not my day job. Ok, with that said, i ended up buying an AMD 64 3200, 1 gb ram, GeForce 6800 GS 256 mb, and a brand new LCD monitor, my first one. Ok, now...Ive always used CRTs before, Samsumgs syncmasters......this new LCD is an ACER 17", not top of the line, I know, but it isnt the cheapest out there, so i guess it would be on that mid user budget level along with regular syncmasters, it actually costed just 10 or so dollars cheaper than the LCD samsungs. Anyhooooo......i just installed it, and brought from work a render im doing for testing my new system. Open up the scene in MAX and hit render......after some minutes (3 times faster than in my old pc...nice!) the render is pretty dark..........compared with the same scene on my office CRT this one is different......a lot.......now, I tried some calibration, but i dont know, pumping up the brightness doesnt do it.....and the Nvidia card has also some software for calibration, but no matter what i did, i still see it too dark (in the shadow areas of the render). So im basically asking: - Can I match my old Samsumg CRT syncmaster overall look, with this ACER? - Is there a software that could help me on this? (remember my background, i wont buy some state of the art calibration software, im not wokring on PIXAR or something) - Any tips? Thanks. ..for starters, can you hook your old CRT to your new machine, and make sure that the monitor is the only difference. just to double check that it is not a software issue. i use a samsung syncmaster at home, and love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted March 11, 2006 Author Share Posted March 11, 2006 we are now testing two LCD's in our office. a Sony HS95B, and a Samung Syncmaster 960BF. i think we are going to go with the Sony monitors. the picture quality is good for a LCD. you can still notice the lack of color depth (16 million colors) in gradients, but other than that it is not to bad. Samsung monitor controls have always been a little funky. this time they didn't use any, everything is software controlled, which is causing problems with our color calibration. i am really curious to see how my eyes are at the end of the day. i have never really noticed eye strain, but maybe i just didn't realize it before. ...so is anyone using the Sony in their work enviroment? ...opinion? the only thing i am worried about with it right now is the glossiness of the screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted April 11, 2006 Author Share Posted April 11, 2006 we went with the Sony HS95B. astetically it is a fairly nice looking monitor, and i am adjusting to the colors gradiating on the screen. the problem i am having... in the RGB controls, the green is disabled. is this normal? i can't adjust it. i have two of these monitors at my workstation. the green points are different on them. the left one is grayed out at 111, and the right is grayed out at 109. i run the spectrometer on them, thinking it will help to adjust the red and blue to a point to offset the difference in green. but the monitor on the left remains 'greener' than the monitor on the right. the monitor on the left also has the higher green setting that i can't change. i am assuming the greens are different because they were calibrated at the factory, and locked into place. should i send the left one back, and have it replaced? i tried to manually adhust it without the spectrometer after i calibrated, and i can ge it closer, but it is still not exact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 we went with the Sony HS95B. astetically it is a fairly nice looking monitor, and i am adjusting to the colors gradiating on the screen. the problem i am having... in the RGB controls, the green is disabled. is this normal? i can't adjust it. i have two of these monitors at my workstation. the green points are different on them. the left one is grayed out at 111, and the right is grayed out at 109. i run the spectrometer on them, thinking it will help to adjust the red and blue to a point to offset the difference in green. but the monitor on the left remains 'greener' than the monitor on the right. the monitor on the left also has the higher green setting that i can't change. i am assuming the greens are different because they were calibrated at the factory, and locked into place. should i send the left one back, and have it replaced? i tried to manually adhust it without the spectrometer after i calibrated, and i can ge it closer, but it is still not exact. I won't get into my person opinions on Sony, but that seems ridiculuos that they pre-calibrate the monitors and the ajustment scales are not the same. No two monitors from the factory will ever look the same. Personally I'd put them both back in the box and get something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanashimi Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 i think it really boils down to cost. right now, lcd can match crt in terms of color matching and performance but you'd have to spend a lot to get that. the cost to performance ratio however favors crt for now. the cheaper lcd doesn't quite reach the performance of good crt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edub Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 I'm pretty happy with my two 20" Apple Cinema Displays, although I haven't calibrated them professionally (only with the built-in app) so one is slightly different than the other - nothing I notice. I guess Apple's LCD's are pretty good - they're pretty d&mn bright - never would complain about them. Can you use them with a PC? if not, then maybe a Apple machine running Bootcamp and Windows XP? I've seen a refurbished 30" for about $2000 - not bad!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted April 12, 2006 Author Share Posted April 12, 2006 I won't get into my person opinions on Sony, but that seems ridiculuos that they pre-calibrate the monitors and the ajustment scales are not the same. No two monitors from the factory will ever look the same. Personally I'd put them both back in the box and get something else. about 4 or 5 years I bought a Sony component stereo for home. I swore I would never buy another Sony product again because I decided that they were overpriced for what I actually got. I still feel that way about most of their products. unfortunatly sending the Sony's back for somehting cmopletely different probably isn't an option as of now. we would up replacing all of our Visualization and Graphic Dept. monitors with either 2 of the Sony's, or 1 20" Apple Cinema display. we wanted to make a selection, and keep them uniform throught the departments. i think 4 people took the Apple Cinema, and 5 of us took the Sony's. I haven't done any research yet on why the green channel is locked down. i do know my calibration hardware/software wants me to set the green channel to 100%, and then calibrate the blue and red off of that. mayeb there is something special about green, i don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1_ Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 I use a Viewsonic VP930b at work and love it. It's used for colour matching with no problem but we're an Archtecture firm not graphic designers so GDs may think it not sufficient. For our needs they're wonderful. I have not felt compelled to jump off it and onto one of our CRTs to colour match. We use it for CAD apps, photoshop and rendering. Specs are: 8ms gtg 1000:1 contrast ratio 8 bit colour 170 degr viewing angle 250 cd/m2 brightness Cost is good as far as I'm concerned for a professional rated monitor at around AU$700, which is about US$500 I think. Just thought I'd bring it to your attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesse Hall Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 I just got a Samsung 204b LCD and im loving it over my old CRT. Good response time and contrast ratio not to mention a 3 year warranty standard to boot. Its way easier on the eyes too. That was my main concern. - Jesse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marklazaro Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 ya i have dual lcd monitors too . . . nice change from the dual crt s i used to use. Getting the same visual experience as the crt seems a problem though like many of you hae pointed out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Nelson Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 It's about time to upgrade our monitors here and are not sure whether we will go with lcd's or crts. It seems that the general concensus is that lcd's still do not have the color accuracy that crts do, but I wonder how big the difference really is. I think if it properly calibrated, an lcd can be nearly as good as a crt. A major printing studio that we occasionaly work with uses lcd's for their work, and their job depends on accurate color reproduction. So if it's good enough for them..... Anyways, does anybody have any recommendations of late? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moshenko Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 In my experience, some LCD's can be calibrated quite well; others, not so well. Unfortunately, the trend in the greater LCD market seems to be towards speed of display for movies and games. This speed comes at the expense of colour quality and depth, which is quite unfortunate for us. Two years ago I purchased a slew of Dell 19" ultrasharp LCD's and they are fantastic (really good colour representation, easily calibrated). Now, the same monitors that Dell sells have been replaced with "better" guts that focus on speed, and they're crap for graphics (I actually sent a bunch back). Unfortunately, this leaves few good choices in the mid-range of pricing (the Dell's were not expensive). We have purchased some OK Viewsonics for use as secondary monitors and spread our older Dell models around as primaries. If I were jumping in from square one right now, I would be looking at Eizo, Lacie and the new 10-bit gamma NEC's (Eizo would probably be my first choice if budget were not a big concern). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Warner Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Nicholas- Are you speaking of the Dell 1907FP's? We have a bunch of the older Dell LCD's as well and were looking to get some additional ones, and the 1907's seemed to be the replacement model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moshenko Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 Yes, the 1907FP's - the replacement to the 1905FP - are what I sent packing after I drew a black to white gradient in Photoshop and ended up with something that looked more like 12 vertical bars than a gradient. I *think* that the major difference in the new crop of LCD's is the display of 16.2 million colours as opposed to 16.7. 500,000 less colours is quite a lot! I would not recommend the 1907's from Dell based on my short experience with them. It's a shame, really. The 1905's were such good value and really do produce nice colour for an LCD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffc Posted July 27, 2006 Share Posted July 27, 2006 definitely just research the size range you want in an LCD over at Tom's Hardware and/or cnet. They definitely account for color and speed strengths. I recently did this research when recently picking up a 19" for here at work, and ended up getting a Viewsonic VP930b for ~$350 online. very nice. LOVE my 24" dell at home though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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