IHAB Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Hi everybody, I wonder if I can get some useful advice from this discussion about these two different fields of the industry , I mean I need general opinions from Interior designers , architects and ofcourse 3Dspeciallists about the interesting things & disadvantages of these two fields and the difference between them in working and presentation....and so for I don't know if this session is covered before also or not,anyway all replies are greatly respected. many thanks . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUI Design Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Hi IHAB! I would stick to Architecture!! because......... 1. Architects do exteriors & interiors (well we do anyway in our office!!). 2. Moneys much better in architecture (trust me, I've seen both sides!). 3. Architects & Technicians are needed all over the UK. 4. Buildings generally have a shelf-life of about 20-25 years - So theres always going to be work available. 5. Almost (anyone) can call theselves an interior designer. The only thing I see going for Interior Design is that theres more women on Interior Design courses than in architecture!! "You know what I'm trying to say!" Regards, Ifty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Msamir Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 I guess it depends also on which you like better and can give more in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbr Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Interior Designers typically make abotu 30% more, for various reasons. It requires less education, less stress, etc., etc. But, if architecture is your passion, you can't do it within the interior design field (generally speaking). Architect's can design interiors, but it's rare that they do more than formal things (again, general statement). While pursuing my undergrad degree in arch, I thought about switching to interiors. I love them both, but decided to go on to get a masters in arch as well. Just depends on what you are interested in. Also, I know several people that got an undergrad in interior design, then a masters in architecture. That's probably the best compromise. Architect's can design anything, but rarely does it really happen on a regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph alexander Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 In New York interior architects make more as well.. -joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAB Posted February 23, 2006 Author Share Posted February 23, 2006 The only thing I see going for Interior Design is that theres more women on Interior Design courses than in architecture!! "You know what I'm trying to say!" I guess interior design now got a point:D :D Thanks IFTY ,,, more replies stand by guys many many thanks;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAB Posted February 23, 2006 Author Share Posted February 23, 2006 hey guys ,why stopped repling , I need to hear more & more opinions to help me make up my mind:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollhouse Studio Posted February 25, 2006 Share Posted February 25, 2006 Haha nothing like a good Architect vs. Interior Designer pissing contest. You need em' both... Make piss not war..... I mean peace..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAB Posted February 26, 2006 Author Share Posted February 26, 2006 Yre right Mic , we sure need them both , but the idea is which can be done through the other or what is better according to everybody' s own piont of view,its not an arrgument , I just want to hear you guys , I've been working as an architect for about 4 years know ,but recently tried interior design , I felt some challengeship to do it through architecture but frankly it has its own difficulty which need experience & specialists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted February 26, 2006 Share Posted February 26, 2006 And most renderers I know are former architects. They switched to have more freedom and better pay. I came into rendering from art/illustration so I'm not an architect or interior designer. There is that third direction, but if you are interested in becomeing a proper professional (instead of just some guy with a computer like me) and have the opportunity to go to college (which I didn't really have) then that is your best avenue. You can always get trained in arch. or Int. and still be a renderer later if you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exception Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 How about industrial design? Should not be forgotten... I'm an indstrial designer that's studying architecture now as well as running and arch. viz office... i just like architecture better but there's more money in industrial design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAB Posted February 27, 2006 Author Share Posted February 27, 2006 more freedom and better pay I think Ernest that is most important , everybody wants freedom + well payment,it doesnt matter if one is collegue graduate or not. and here we have a new thread direction by Tom I think I know what you are trying to say Tom ,I have a little general knowlege about machine & engine design ,just an intrest not a study if that what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUI Design Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Hey Guys! Interesting reponses!! I can only go by my personal experience......... On my Interior Design course I remember there being some BEAUTIFUL women at the design school - one girl in my class was even a professional model!! Then when I went to work in an Interior Design office, again there were some 'FIT' women working with me!! AHHHHH!! those were the days....... Your right about one thing, the best compromise would be to do your under-grad in Interior design and your post-grad in Architecture, BUT the only problem (in the UK) is that you still can't qualify as an Architect unless you have a degree recognised by the RIBA as giving exemption. I don't know about the US, but here Architects/Technicians still make more money than Interior Designers - Just look at the job ads?? Regards, Ifty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUI Design Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 PS. forgot to mention that out of the 6 architecture schools in Scotland if you want to study Architecture alongside the 'female form' then go to the Glasgow School of Art!! As a rule of thumb........... The 'Artier' the school of architecture - the larger the ratio of female students there!!! Regards, Ifty:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHAB Posted February 27, 2006 Author Share Posted February 27, 2006 PS. forgot to mention that out of the 6 architecture schools in Scotland if you want to study Architecture alongside the 'female form' then go to the Glasgow School of Art!! As a rule of thumb........... The 'Artier' the school of architecture - the larger the ratio of female students there!!! Regards, Ifty:cool: PS. please send an application form if u can:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exception Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Ok, really, i don't know who's saying that there's money in architecture, but really there isn't much... if its money you're after, pretty much any university stuy besides literature and biology is going to give you more... as i said, takea good look at industrial design. that is way more specialised, and there is huge demand for them... you get paid so much more, and its arguably just as fun, but people are less arrogant. Just as mny girls in there too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 On my Interior Design course I remember there being some BEAUTIFUL women at the design school... Then when I went to work in an Interior Design office, again there were some 'FIT' women working with me!! Once again, being a renderer still helps. Sometimes I do guest lectures and crits at design schools, and yes, the interior courses are full of young women. But I'm too old and married for that to matter, but its a pleasant day once in a while. And I work for some of those interior design firms so I can go to their offices and there will be at least one of the junior designers assigned to meet with me, fetch samples, prints, etc., usually one of those lovely women. So there you go. Renderer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IUI Design Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 I'm too old Your NEVER too old !!!! Ifty:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Your NEVER too old !!!! Ifty:cool: Dream on, if you think a 24 yo hottie is going to pay 1 ounce of attention to a 43 yo (in a few days) married man. But at least being a renderer puts you into many offices and sometimes schools, so dreaming is what's on tap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanSpaulding Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 What's the difference between Industrial Design and Architecture? I have no formal training as either and was looking at future schooling possibly. What's the difference between these? I'm worried limiting myself to renderer will hurt my job placement and cash flow at some point if something happens to my current job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exception Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 The difference between Industrial Design and Architecture? Well uhm, where do you start? The similarities are that to be either an industrial designer or an architect, you need at least 5 years of university study... so before you start that, you better investigate on your own. These fields are too big to discuss in a forum, you need to go to some schools, read up on it in books and find out where your heart is. If you don't love architecture or industrial design, you will not make it. Interior design, my granma can be an interior designer, anyone can be... there's no money, there's no skill, there's no real school for it either... however, there are people that are really good at it, and those I do respect, with talent and education... and I feel for them that every kid on the block's grandmother is a a selfproclaimed interior designer. It's profession devalued into, more like, a knack, which is a shame. How old are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawyer Posted February 27, 2006 Share Posted February 27, 2006 Industrial design is basically the designing of stuff. Everything that isn't a building or your grandmother could have been touched at some point by a designer. http://www.idsa.org Has somne good stuff. Actually looking over that website the ind. designer needs much less training than an archi. And you probably get sued far less often. From a very breif glance at the website it seems that an industrail designer is a designer and thats all. An archi needs to have a very good grounding in engineering and the archi is responsible for how it gets built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanSpaulding Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 How old are you? 24 about to be 25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exception Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Industrial design is basically the designing of stuff. Everything that isn't a building or your grandmother could have been touched at some point by a designer. http://www.idsa.org Has somne good stuff. Actually looking over that website the ind. designer needs much less training than an archi. And you probably get sued far less often. From a very breif glance at the website it seems that an industrail designer is a designer and thats all. An archi needs to have a very good grounding in engineering and the archi is responsible for how it gets built. Oh yah its the american thing... I studied industrial design engineering for 7 years. Its the only real industrial design study, what you are referring to is more commonly known as industrial formgiving. The problem is that industrial design as a specific field does not really exist as such in america, where industrial designers are really only formgivers. In europe, there is a distinction between industrial formgiving (aka design) and industrial design engineering. Its a language thing. In german and dutch for example there are two words for design, one means form giving, the other ehm.. design engineering... of that sorts. In any case, the study length of industrial design engineering and architecture is the same, the work experience is the same, and trust me, the litigation is the same as well.... that is, if you decide to sell your product in litigation savvy united states. Never forget that one building might affect thousands (if its public) but industrial design products are made by the millions (or its not 'industrial' design), which creates a far higher chance that something will go wrong. (Imagine working on a lawn mower... or a toaster which is unsafe). Going from urban design, as the largest scale, down to industrial design there is a reverse of several properties... for instance... there are usually only a handful of people, or even just one, working on urban designs, while industrial designs always requires a very large team. The industrial design engineer is at the head of that team, which consists of material and production engineers, marketeers, business analysts, logistics people, industrial form givers, technicians in various fields and so on. Obviously he is responsible for the product. A single rogue industrial design engineer is very rare, but Dyson can be named as one of them (you know the cyclone vaccuum cleaner, but also the ball barrow and so on), who's actually rather a renaissance man than anything esle. There's not much industrial design engineering going on in the united states, so if that's where you are, its no real option. Everything gets designed in northern europe, italy, or asia. There's some nice exceptions, but not many. The car industry is a sub field of industrial design engineering. There are special, various educations for that, ranging from allowing you to be a stooge to main designer at ford. If you want to study the american version of industrial design, or rather industrial formgiving, you're in for a very creative and fun education, bordering on art school. There's lots of girls in there! (but in arch. school and ind. des. eng. too...), the study is shorter and less complicated. You'll learn some basic material things, and useability, and such things, nothing too technical. You'll be either designing plastic gloves, wrapping for products or packaging, or be in a team headed by an industrial deisgn engineer or in america, by a manager of some description... An industrial designer needs to have intimate knowledge of materials, production processes, manufacturing, useability, ergonomics, statistics, some law, engineering subjects such as statics, dynamics, themofluidity and so on next to visual design skills. It's really more like 'inventor'. Although you are right about architects, these days it doesn;t really work like that any more. The structure is being calculated by engineers and the responsibility is delegated to them. The architect becomes more and more just the designer of a building (which i think is worrysome). In any case, all of these fields are wildly interesting and you can achieve anything from a moderate income to world fame, if you want to and work hard enough. Everything takes time and a lot of effort. You are 24? How long do you want to study for, and where do you want to do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanSpaulding Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Here is where I'm at right now. I have a digital art and animation degree from Madison Media Institute. It's a degree that is all purpose (web design, print materials, general marketing, vid editing, animation, 3d, 2d, audio mixing). Out of MMI I immediatly got my current job, as the lone renderer at a small gfx/CAD training company...my work isn't in standard tools (I use MicroStation to build, Vue 5 Infinite to render....as opposed to the norm of AutoCAD/Max). I've always been a good artist and had an interest in design and feel my proficiency in art could help me at design. Lately, I've been a bit more worried at the size of the co I work at, the volume of rendering work I get (1 or 2 a month), and my marketability if I were to lose this job. Basically, I want a bit more security in my job and more room to move....up...in salary and position. I love rendering more than anything...but I cant seem to grasp how to hep us get larger projects...animations, big developments, ect. Even though our work is the best in town for price, speed, and quality, another firm is getting the big work as they've been around for years. Already $35g in the hole for school. Don't mind going back for a few years more if it'll help me in the long run. I want to be more employable and if this goes under, I feel I should have something else other than an art degree... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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