A new low

[ClaudeFerret]

I look forward to seeing that form on Monday. Thanks Buffos, and sorry about your banishment. Your dual core banishment x2

[_PopArt]

I see now the censor and warn in an intimidating way someone who post a question about glu3d. What is wrong with asking about Glu3d? i guess it shows that they are hyper paranoid and are trying to hide all refernces to it, but it seems soooo stupid:confused:

[AJLynn]

Oddly enough the thread is still there, including my comment that "it's great, don't know much about Realflow but personally I prefer a plugin to a standalone for this kind of thing". That sounds like the kind of inflammatory rhetoric that normally would be squashed.

[buffos]

First off Buffos I'm sorry you were banned again, and for something as silly as calling someone silly is just silly.

 

I didnt call anyone silly. Thats the deal. He called what i was saying silly

and just replied, that silly is that we are waiting for a year and nowone talks to us... and so on..

 

I never called anyone silly. And then came a public warning!!!!

 

It simple. I tell the truth. The truth is that We will get half and even less than we were promised. For starters a crippled engine.

[_PopArt]

"Bullshit. Christ, the thread already had a countdown going before I even saw it. Everyone else knew; he ignored their warnings, too. Don't insult my intelligence.

 

_Mike"

 

This is a direct quote from the NL mod mverta, who banned this person only because he asked a question about glu3d.

 

This behavior is TOTALLY unacceptable. A paid customer who is waiting for more than a year for the product he payed for CANNOT BE TREATED IN THIS WAY!

 

"Number of people on the forum I hate:

 

Like I'd spend that much energy on an IP address from Greece."

 

This is another DIRECT QUOTE!! THIS IS FROM AN OFFICIAL MODERATOR FOR NL!!!!

 

Please everyone spread the word about what NL is doing!! This is how they are treating their customers a year after they dont deliver the product they promised!!!

[Ernest Burden III]

A paid customer who is waiting for more than a year for the product he payed for CANNOT BE TREATED IN THIS WAY!

 

Facts on the ground would suggest otherwise.

[bbuxton]

The moderation on that board is juvenile. The reality is that their behavior sets the tone on the board. At one point the forum was a great place to share knowledge & insights to get the best from maxwell, it's just a soap now.

 

Golden rule for moderators - sure police the forum but...."Don't enter the fray"

[AdamT]

Yeah, clearly the best way to restore order is to taunt and mock customers who are already beside themselves ... while puffing up your own ego. Very classy.

[jonosf]

Maybe if NL/Mike/Tom saw how many potential customers (like me, and how many others I tend to wonder?) will NOT buy their product now due to their forum policies and a lack of decent communication skills, they'd change their ways...

 

But then that's just wishful thinking on my part, as the non-paying potential customer has no chance at voicing an opinion on their forum.

 

-jono

[buffos]

It obvious i am in the list you said PopArt.

 

I hope i am actually first in the list. That would be a great Honour.

I actually have a good laugh, when they say they are tracking my ip from greece . I really use proxies (anonymous ones) to log to their site....

I wish not to discribe that.... cause i would be censored. But its fun.

 

 

Till now they hate it me verbally. Now they are going to hate it really.

I am not stupid. I dont like beeing manipulated. I like honest deals.

I could even wait a whole year more, if i had sincere information, and not misleading info.

 

What is going on in Maxwell forums, is not Moderation. That is for sure.

This is not even Cencorship.

 

As i said before , responsible for all that is Victor. Him and only him.

If you see the repeating patern of his actions its easy to understand.

 

It would be fun meeting him, under the circumstances i imagine.

Very fun.

 

Looking really forward to...

[IC]

Please everyone spread the word about what NL is doing!! This is how they are treating their customers a year after they dont deliver the product they promised!!!

 

Really, can't you guys just walk away from all this if it's causing you so much stress?

I understand the reasons why you haven't so far but come on-enough is enough.

 

This is a site for discussing architectural visualisation but there's been FAR more discussion here about how pissed off Maxwell 'users' are than anything else.

[WestCAD]

With all due respect IC, this forum as you said is for Archviz, however this particular thread is about a particular topic and it is all about communication within the industry, something that the company in question sadly lacks.

[buffos]

What do you mean walk away IC.

 

We have paid some money. We asked for a refund. They wont give it.

Do you mean we have to forget the money we gave? Act as we have just lost it?

 

 

I really dont get it. Please explain what do you mean by saying walkaway.

[Adehus]

Beyond the other very good points, there's this- a thread was opened for Maxwell, and there's nothing to talk about related to Maxwell other than it's functional uselesness and the mendacity of it's makers.

 

I'm sure we'd all much prefer to talk about using the software, but none of us can change that, can we?

[IC]

What do you mean walk away IC.

We have paid some money. We asked for a refund. They wont give it.

Do you mean we have to forget the money we gave? Act as we have just lost it?

I really dont get it. Please explain what do you mean by saying walkaway.

What I mean is if I'd paid money for something and I knew I'd have to wait for it, I'd wait until I concluded enough was enough. Then I'd pursue a refund through whatever channels were available. I wouldn't let it affect my every waking moment and if it started to, I'd cut my losses and walk away.

 

A 12 page thread about Next Limit's (admittedly shocking) performance on a site like this is ridiculous and I don't think it ties in with the ethos or intended purpose of the site.

[Ernest Burden III]

Iain

 

Just look at it as gallows humor. As Maxwell 'users' we like eachother and are having some mentally-ill fun at our own expense. And please let this be a lesson to you! And anyone! Paying for pre-release software is a bad idea! It will cause you to spend your days in threads like this one. "It's too late for me...save yourself!"

 

I always wanted to be able to use that line, and now I have!

[Devin Johnston]

What I mean is if I'd paid money for something and I knew I'd have to wait for it, I'd wait until I concluded enough was enough. Then I'd pursue a refund through whatever channels were available. I wouldn't let it affect my every waking moment and if it started to, I'd cut my losses and walk away.

A 12 page thread about Next Limit's (admittedly shocking) performance on a site like this is ridiculous and I don't think it ties in with the ethos or intended purpose of the site.

 

This site is about 3D imaging as it relates to architecture and also the software used to create those images. Maxwell is still in that group and I don't see why any topic related to the software should be off limits. We as a collective group of Maxwellieans have been through a lot to get to this point. Unfortunately right now the biggest thing happening with Maxwell is the despicable way we’re being treated and the almost complete uselessness of the software. Once V1.0 comes out most of this will change to technical discussions although I still expect some to be upset because all the promised features won't be included, but eventually things will settle down.

[IC]

Related topics aren't off limits. It's just all starting to seem very sour and despondant here. (And yes, I know why-I know every detail!) I'm sure that was never Jeff's intention when he opened this Forum.

 

You're in danger of becoming the suicide club of CGArchitect. That's my point really.

Maybe if more of the hundreds of posts were humorous (gallows or otherwise) or did actually have anything to do with imaging or software it wouldn't be so bad.

[Devin Johnston]

Maybe if more of the hundreds of posts were humorous (gallows or otherwise) or did actually have anything to do with imaging or software it wouldn't be so bad.

 

I understand you point of view but to be honest I can't see the humor or anything positive about the current situation. None of this is the result of the customer were all victims in this mess, people are upset, the Maxwell forum isn't a friendly place for anyone with a different opinion than Mike or Tom so what in all honesty are people supposed to do? Jeff was kind enough to open this Maxwell forum when the whole RC debacle started; I think he knew that people weren’t going to be friendly towards Maxwell or NL when he did it. I could be wrong about that and if I am I'm sorry.

[Jeff Mottle]

Jeff was kind enough to open this Maxwell forum when the whole RC debacle started; I think he knew that people weren’t going to be friendly towards Maxwell or NL when he did it. I could be wrong about that and if I am I'm sorry.

 

Indeed I did know that there would be threads like this, but in the end, I opened a forum here so there would be a place for anyone who wanted to talk about using Maxwell for Architectural visualization could do so. Even if their opinions were not popular elsewhere.

 

I expected it to be a mix of both Visualization and disgruntled threads, but that has not been the case. 90% of the threads have been rehashing the same thing over and over again. I'm not saying it's not warranted, but once you speak your mind, does it serve any purpose to keep talking about it? In the end people are not being treated as they should, a product is not there, and promises were broken, but even with all the bad press and posts has it changed anything? Just my 2 cents. With all the time and effort put into these threads and following the soap opera called Maxwell, what else could people be doing that was more productive. I guess it's human nature, why else would soap operas, and reality TV be such a big hit...people love to see a train wreck. Even better when they can talk about being in it.

 

I look at the whole Maxwell beta as an invesment in a high risk stock. All the projections were good, the hype was there and people invested, some invested alot. But with any stock, you run the risk of it not performing as planned, it turns into a penny stock, or something changed and the projection went from a 1 year ROI to a 5 year ROI. VisMasters invested a lot into Maxwell as a reseller, so I know first hand as well.

 

In the end, it we all invested in beta software and the "stock", so far, has not performed as we all expected. I'm sure you can spin my anaology in 15 different ways like there are securities commissions and regulations etc etc, but you know what I am getting at.

 

If you want to keep posting the latest soap opera developments, you are free to do so here, but as some have eluded it does get a bit predicatable.

 

Ok, back to work.

[_PopArt]

Yes Jeff is right and thank you for giving us this space here, we should try to not do too much bashing, and try to add more constructive stuff with the versions we have. Maybe just a bashing topic somewhere.

 

I can only say its frustrating because they are SO INSULTING to people at Next Limit, that it makes alot of users very angry. If you ask a question about Glu3d, and you get banned and insulted, or the moderators explain how and why they hate you you get a bit overheated.

 

But we should try to turn the other cheek and not go down to their level, because CG architect shouldn't be known as the 'maxwell bashing' place on the web.

 

Thanks again Jeff:)

[Jeff Mottle]

But we should try to turn the other cheek and not go down to their level, because CG architect shouldn't be known as the 'maxwell bashing' place on the web.

Thanks again Jeff:)

 

Thank you.

[Adehus]

But we should try to turn the other cheek and not go down to their level, because CG architect shouldn't be known as the 'maxwell bashing' place on the web.

 

This line of thinking, to my mind, puts the cart in front of the horse. CGArchitect has a long history of being a great place for people to conduct civilized discussion about the profession. When some of the most respected members choose to vent their frustrations about the Maxwell situation it says much more about Maxwell and NL than it does about CGArchitect. I don't think we need to be so precious about CGA's reputation!

 

---

 

Jeff-

 

How can you be so sure that the negative publicity that Maxwell receives here and elsewhere has had no effect? It certainly can't help sales, and many have noted that announcements from NL usually come after protracted displays of frustration. With all due respect, I'm accustomed to hearing your line of thought come from people who are invested in Maxwell and/or NL. Close observers know otherwise.

[Sawyer]

Thinking it over if you really wanted to make a statment to the maxwell forums it may be better to turn this into a very useful public forum on how to use maxwell as opposed to a forum where maxwell users complain about how they were treated. Right now the maxwell forum has no power. They can ban you but thats not that big a deal. Really it's not.

Now if everyone wanted a forum where everyone was treated a bit better and could compain when they had problems and didn't have to worry about a rather harsh administrative policy (let me get this straight he has a darth vader icon quotes vader and is called the dark lord. He's 12 right? Really it's ok to laugh at people like that. At times.) then do it here.

If in a few months the forum here was more successful than the one at maxwell then no one would care if you were banned from the maxwell forum or not. It wouldn't make a difference and important skills and techniques could still be traded and it's not like the developers are communicating anyway.

[Adehus]

...it may be better to turn this into a very useful public forum on how to use maxwell as opposed to a forum where maxwell users complain about how they were treated.

 

Trust me on this, Sawyer- the tone of this forum is a direct reflection on how useful the application actually is... which is to say, not much at all.

 

When and if Maxwell becomes more useful, you'll see more people (myself included) starting more threads related to the use of the product itself.