Maximus3D Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 I'd say it's as useful as you make it to be. If you don't even try then you won't get much outta it as with any other software. However it's sadly enough even more depressing to see people dedicate more time to trashing in any way they can on any forum they get a chance to and to even try to bring down the NL so we all won't get our software. Those people need to grow up and get a life and stop acting like oversized crybabies. Now i know the unhappy people will trash me for this but that's expected to happen due to the nature of their behaviour. / Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Max- I hear you, I'd like to make it useful but unfortunately my buildings always have glass. If it weren't for he caustics problem I'd be using Maxwell all the time, probably could use it for some of my images but I need consistency in my style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus3D Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 I'm aware of the glass issues, everyone are. But nagging like old ladies about it all the time ain't gonna fix it. Giving the developers the time they need and then have patience to wait the time it takes is the only solution now. In the meantime there are other renderengines which does the job until Maxwell is production ready for archiviz type work. I cannot believe that anyone holds a gun to any of you guys head and forces you to use Maxwell in it's current state with the known issues, that'd be most illogical. Anyone doing any type of production work including me uses whatever tool does the job within the time and requirements to do it. That's common sense. Sorry if my post come across with a bit of a attitude right now but i'm very much tired sick of all the crybabies on all the forums who can't see beyond their own nose. / Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 I'm aware of the glass issues, everyone are. But nagging like old ladies about it all the time ain't gonna fix it. Giving the developers the time they need and then have patience to wait the time it takes is the only solution now. In the meantime there are other renderengines which does the job until Maxwell is production ready for archiviz type work. I cannot believe that anyone holds a gun to any of you guys head and forces you to use Maxwell in it's current state with the known issues, that'd be most illogical. Anyone doing any type of production work including me uses whatever tool does the job within the time and requirements to do it. That's common sense. Sorry if my post come across with a bit of a attitude right now but i'm very much tired sick of all the crybabies on all the forums who can't see beyond their own nose. / Max But, Max, I for one can't wait and use other software. I'm a student, I'm graduating soon, and if NL had kept the schedule they gave us at the time I bought M~R I would have been able to use it on 2 semesters worth of projects. Now I can't use it on any of my projects. I don't have the budget to buy software I can't use. So I'll take a stand for my rights as a customer - NL screwed up, I understand how it happened, and it was something they should have predicted. They should admit it, say "We screwed up, we're sorry," and let customers cancel their orders if they want to - that's really not asking for much, and it's what any reasonable company would do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus3D Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 I see, well alright. I can understand that part side too of it all. However it does not give someone the right to bring down NL just to justify their cause and what they think is right. And i'm starting to see tendencies of that now surfacing in various places. Also you knew you probably knew what you invested in, a beta of a new product undergoing developement. Things can go wrong, and things did as we all know. But trashing is not gonna solve it. Atleast people should be resonable and use whatever greymatter they have and not just act outta anger and frustration and group pressure which they do now, that only backfires upon themselves in the end. / Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Magnus, people who feel they have legitemate criticisms of Next Limit don't appreciate being called cry-babies. As for giving the developers the time they need - it's almost April and we have no idea when we'll even see another "announcement of an announcement" let alone the release of V1. Now i know the unhappy people will trash me for this but that's expected to happen due to the nature of their behaviour. That is totally uncalled for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Also you knew you probably knew what you invested in, a beta of a new product undergoing developement. Things can go wrong, and things did as we all know. But trashing is not gonna solve it. / Max For some reason I think you look at NL as the victim here, no one made them post completely unrealistic release dates over and over again when they had no intention or capability of meeting them. It's true enough the people invested in a beta and in doing so assume some of the responsibility. It's also true that they were given a specific list of features and a release date which lured them into purchasing in the first place. Which party is more at fault, if it were the users who had the software in hand but didn't pay for it what would NL do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adehus Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 I'd say it's as useful as you make it to be. If you don't even try then you won't get much outta it as with any other software. Perhaps you'd like to share with us your architectural renderings done with Maxwell? I realize that's kind of a snide thing to ask, but the point is valid- I've tried my hardest to get Maxwell to work for my needs, and it just isn't happening. RC5 doesn't even work on the Macs. If you're certain that it can be used professionally (and this IS the 'global community for architectural visualization professionals' after all), perhaps you'd like to show us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 it does not give someone the right to bring down NL just to justify their cause and what they think is right. And i'm starting to see tendencies of that now surfacing in various places. Max, what I like most about you is your un-dying devotion to the idea of what Maxwell may one day become. I admire it. You are not an A-Team-er whos getting 'constant updates' and telling the rest to relax. You are a slob just like us. Before Maxwell can handle sun+glass it is not ready for the arch-vis market. It's that simple. I understand from Mike that rs2 is a great engine, but won't be in v1.0 So until it is, I'm at a disadvantage. But be sure you take this away from your visit: if anyone 'brings down NextLimit' it will be NextLimit themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 I see, well alright. I can understand that part side too of it all. However it does not give someone the right to bring down NL just to justify their cause and what they think is right. And i'm starting to see tendencies of that now surfacing in various places. Also you knew you probably knew what you invested in, a beta of a new product undergoing developement. Things can go wrong, and things did as we all know. But trashing is not gonna solve it. Atleast people should be resonable and use whatever greymatter they have and not just act outta anger and frustration and group pressure which they do now, that only backfires upon themselves in the end. / Max I don't want to bring down NL. I want them to give me $95. Why does everybody treat NL like it's a charity for feeding orphans with cancer? It's a company trying to sell a product for money. I gave them money, they said thanks, we'll send you the product in October, and they didn't. I asked for the money back and got bitchslapped. If they'd handled it well, given us some respect, then later on if they get everything working and I'm working for a company with a real budget I might have bought a lot more than $95 worth of their product - but after all this, how could I do that? Heck, it's already cost them - somebody I know here who is in a position to buy double-digit copies asked my opinion on it and what could I say but the truth? If the truth had been "it doesn't have all the functions yet but they have great customer relations" he would have bought in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus3D Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Fran, the very same people call us who ain't complaining openly like this for alot of worse names than that. So far i think i been called just about anything you can think of, including recieving very nasty pm's. Nope it's not uncalled for, it's a predicted phenomena of what's most likely to happen based on previous incidents on the Maxwell forum where users who go up against the complainers get trashed on other forums. Maxer, nope i don't see them as the victim. Users are victims of their own decisions and judgement/misjudgement of the situation they put themselves into. However what does bother me, i should say this it's all those users with ALOT of licenses and the resellers, they should have a bit of extra insight into it all as they invest alot of money and time into the product. It'll be my personal opinion. Then again, going on complaining like is being done here and in other forums is no solution, i have patience which i'm making use of. What solution have you guys got ? Anyways, in the end i know everything will be good those who can wait long enough will be rewarded. I feel sorry for those who can't wait.. / Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus3D Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Adehus: You might be aware that i'm not into archi type work yet, sorry. For that obvious reason i have nothing to show you. But you're clever and you should be able to use another renderengine to do your job in the meantime. All the time spent on nagging could be used much more effectivly for actual production work with whatever other tool you prefer while you wait for a production worthy Maxwell. Ernest: Thanks but i'm probably alone with alot of patience here, noone else seems to have it. I wish more people did.. however don't think that i'm blind for what's going on and all that stuff, i know it too but i chose to not let it take over my life, i have far worse and urgent things to take care of than to worry about this and that about a renderengine. It's after all just a piece of software. I too know you archiviz guys needs sun through glass and clipmaps and all that stuff, and trust me NL knows that very well too, they even heard it all from me via email. And they're actually working on it. Phew! so much to type my fingers are getting sleepy *yawn* / Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Fran, the very same people call us who ain't complaining openly like this for alot of worse names than that. So far i think i been called just about anything you can think of, including recieving very nasty pm's. Nope it's not uncalled for, it's a predicted phenomena of what's most likely to happen based on previous incidents on the Maxwell forum where users who go up against the complainers get trashed on other forums. What names? Here? If you are receiving threatening or hateful pm's from users here, you should report them to the administrater. If you are referring to your treatment on other forums, please leave it there. This is CGArchitects, not Maxwellrender.com or any other Maxwell-related board. We command a higher professional standard here that those outside of our industry may not be accustomed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus3D Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 No not on this forum Fran, but thanks for asking. I recieved on the Maxwell forum but the user got banned and permanently removed because of what he said. If you wanna see i'll show you in a pm what was said, not in public. / Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 No not on this forum Fran, but thanks for asking. I recieved on the Maxwell forum but the user got banned and permanently removed because of what he said. If you wanna see i'll show you in a pm what was said, not in public. / Max I am glad that it did not happen here. And no need to share. I believe you. Obviously the user had nothing to gain by abusing you and was just out for spite. Please don't assume that the rest of Next Limit's critics are that ugly or irrational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Sorry to hear you got treated like that, Max - sounds like sombody crossed the line. I hope we can all disagree more respectfully here. Pax? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adehus Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Max I sure hope you're not trying to insinuate it was me... I haven't PMed you about anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus3D Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 Thanks Fran & AJLynn, those two pm's i got just came outta the blue one night when i accessed the forum. Kaboom right in the face so yes it wasn't nice. But both Darth Mike and Tom took care of him and showed him the door if i put it nicely. Even tho people are pissed off here for various reasons things should and hopefully will be kept on a social more human level, which should also go for that other forum where people complain.. it's lawless right now. Adehus, it wasn't you. It was a user on the Maxwell forum and as far as i know we never talked i pm before. The user who sent me those pm's had zero posts so i don't really know much about who he was. I can't quite see how you thought i were saying it would been you. / Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adehus Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 But be sure you take this away from your visit: if anyone 'brings down NextLimit' it will be NextLimit themselves. Truer words were never spoken. Even a child could understand them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 Even tho people are pissed off here for various reasons things should and hopefully will be kept on a social more human level, which should also go for that other forum where people complain.. it's lawless right now. You're welcome to join up over there and offer them your opinion. Otherwise, as a lurker, it really is not any of your business what happens over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus3D Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 Thanks Fran but i prefer to keep onto my neutral position and not take either side in this as i seen what happens then. So i see, the friendly atmosphere quickly gets wiped away when mentioning that other forum :] that's interesting.. / Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 The friendly atmosphere is so relaxing. Can we keep it going until my next review Wednesday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 Thanks Fran but i prefer to keep onto my neutral position and not take either side in this as i seen what happens then. So i see, the friendly atmosphere quickly gets wiped away when mentioning that other forum :] that's interesting.. / Max I'm bowing out of this discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 I've got my particles and bones working, NURBS going crazy all over my site (in a good way), landscape shaping up, spatial relationships just about right, and a couple fRustrations so I don't even have to worry about render times. Please don't kill my buzz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_PopArt Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 I'm bowing out of this discussion. good idea:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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