angelo Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 It's the real deal. We loaded Revit on an Apple Boot Camp enabled/Win XP Pro installed laptop and it's nice and zippy. Finally, I can run the only program that I need windows for on my mac. (OK, maybe I'll try VIZ too...) Angelo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jntdigital Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 nice. i like revit. can you switch to OSX without a reboot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelo Posted April 6, 2006 Author Share Posted April 6, 2006 nice. i like revit. can you switch to OSX without a reboot? Nope, but supposedly, you can with this: Beta out today of Parallels http://www.parallels.com/en/products/workstation/mac/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edub Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 Nope, but supposedly, you can with this: Beta out today of Parallels http://www.parallels.com/en/products/workstation/mac/ if windows runs as fast with this, then what's the point of boot camp? I guess the answer is that it doesn't run as fast... anyone gonna try it? I'm saving for a macbook! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Nichols Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 I would suspect that there are several issues that could come up with a solution like that... speed, doubling the ram used by each OS, etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 if windows runs as fast with this, then what's the point of boot camp? I guess the answer is that it doesn't run as fast... anyone gonna try it? I'm saving for a macbook! Generally I like having one OS running at a time - there's always some loss to overhead, I want all my RAM in one place, etc. BTW, now doing some renders in finalRender2. MacBook Pro: 12 min 14 sec P4-2.8HT: 24 min and it's still doing the GI Prepass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hess Posted April 6, 2006 Share Posted April 6, 2006 Technically its not the mac book pro, its the intel coreduo chip thats providing the insane performance. It is currently the best processor that Intel is making...better then the P4's and better then the Xeon's. Gotta love the fact that it's basically just a pentium III at heart . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Well yeah. But the Apple design is obviously superior to the other options I'm just amazed at how large a jump this stuff has made so quickly - the speed of the off-the-shelf laptops has doubled this month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hess Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 Ya you can't beat apple design...though there was a rash of problems with the first macbook pro's. They seem to have resolved most of those now. Soon you'll see all those chips hitting the desktop market as itty bitty tiny pc's. Going to be a good year for HTPC's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Nichols Posted April 7, 2006 Share Posted April 7, 2006 So a friend of mine at my old company ran a Vray benchmark scene on a PowerBook with BootCamp. The rendertimes were approximatly equivilent to a Dual Xeon 3.0 to 3.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hess Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Chris, What app and rendering engine? What core speed was the macbook? Thanks for getting some info, it looks like they are scaling pretty predictably. People are going to be pretty surprised when the 2.4 duocore laptops out render their 5k 3.6 Dual Xeon Workstations! Man my dual 2.8 feels so slow now =/. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelo Posted April 8, 2006 Author Share Posted April 8, 2006 So a friend of mine at my old company ran a Vray benchmark scene on a PowerBook with BootCamp. The rendertimes were approximatly equivilent to a Dual Xeon 3.0 to 3.2 It's blowing away our dual xeon 2.8 dell with 2 gig of ram and a workstation caliber nVidia quadro graphics card. Granted, it almost cost the same :-), but a laptop kicking a full blown workstation is still a surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Nichols Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Chris, What app and rendering engine? What core speed was the macbook? Thanks for getting some info, it looks like they are scaling pretty predictably. People are going to be pretty surprised when the 2.4 duocore laptops out render their 5k 3.6 Dual Xeon Workstations! Man my dual 2.8 feels so slow now =/. 3dsmax and Vray. It looks like the "rule of thumb" on these centrinos still apply. That rule for the centrinos is that you take the its speed and multiply it by 1.7. I find that my 2.0ghz centrino is right on par with the 3.4 ghz p4s. It would stand to reason that that 2.0ghz duo would be the equivilent to two 3.4 P4s... which it is. People tend to like to compare speed/cost of processor. I say now they should compared speed/weight. Those Mac lappies are under 6 lbs. I am sure that many of these new breeds will be too. In fishing terms, it seems to be like this new breed of laptops are the bonefish of the computer world (a bonefish is the fastest fish for its size 18 inchs and 30 mph in around 3 secs). Someone are work just got one of these: http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?CategoryName=cpu_VAIONotebookComputers_TXSeries&ProductSKU=VGNTX790PK1&TabName=specs&var2= That thing is under 3lbs and the battery lasted nearly a full day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Nichols Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 It's blowing away our dual xeon 2.8 dell with 2 gig of ram and a workstation caliber nVidia quadro graphics card. Granted, it almost cost the same :-), but a laptop kicking a full blown workstation is still a surprise. This is true... but keep in mind that that workstation is probably around 3 years old. A new workstation today would include the new AMD 270 or 280 and those spank the mac laptop by a factor of 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manta Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 This is true... but keep in mind that that workstation is probably around 3 years old. A new workstation today would include the new AMD 270 or 280 and those spank the mac laptop by a factor of 2. Well I for one would be very impressed to see some stats on that, I'm not saying I don't believe you, I'de just like to see that on paper, you are of coarse talking about a single 270 or 280 against the Mac... Just so we're staight on this, I'm not a Mac user or intel for that matter, I use amd... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Nichols Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Well I for one would be very impressed to see some stats on that, I'm not saying I don't believe you, I'de just like to see that on paper, you are of coarse talking about a single 270 or 280 against the Mac... Just so we're staight on this, I'm not a Mac user or intel for that matter, I use amd... This is not processor to processor, but computer to computer. But the stats come from this... http://www.visites-3d.com/visites-3d/postforum/vraybench.gif It is a little out of date. Some of have posted speeds of 2 min 24 secs. with the new AMDs 280s The Mac powerbook posted a speed of 5min 51 secs. My laptop which is a Pentiu M 2.0 posted a speed of around 10 min. But compared to other single proc computers, it looks like the Mac Powerbook is around on par with the AMD 4200 or 4400 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manta Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 So what you're saying is, that a quad opteron workstation is twice as fast as a dual Mac laptop ??? That's kinda redundant... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Nichols Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 So what you're saying is, that a quad opteron workstation is twice as fast as a dual Mac laptop ??? That's kinda redundant... 2 dual core opteron is twice as fast as one dual core Pentium M (mac powerbook). Yeap... that is what is so interesting. I am pretty sure that a single dual core opteron would beat a single dual core Pentium M, but it would be pretty close. Now, what is even more interesting is that those processors (the pentium M dual cores) are much faster than the latest P4D processors with 2 cores. (see chart with PentiumD840 score of 8:14 compared to 5:51) Which, as we all suspected means that those Pentium 4s (since the very begining) are a POS, compared to the old Pentium 3 (which the Pentium M is based on). Of course this will all change (as it should) when AMD comes out with the new quad core processors... not sure when, correct me if I am wrong, but I think it will be later this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 But the thing to remember is that the Duo is a proper laptop chip - it's as fast as maybe an AthlonX2 4200 while using less power, putting out less heat and having a smaller form factor, so it can go into a laptop that weighs under 6 pounds and still run on battery for 3 hours. A high-end Opteron can't do that, but I wouldn't consider a Duo to be an Opteron killer in the desktop workstation market, so it's not a great comparison. For markets like architecture students (where almost everybody uses a laptop) this is a huge step forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hess Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Chris, Thanks for the info! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Nichols Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Chris, Thanks for the info! I am curious on your take of all this... care to share? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hess Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Take on what? Comparing opterons to laptops? You can't really compare a dual dual core opteron to a single duocore intel laptop. Instead, compare the single X2 or 17x series opterons. Also remember that the current socket set of opterons/X2's is changing this month and moving to a DDR2 platform (more bandwidth yay!) so that would be more of a fair comparison as well (two new architectures instead of one new one vs one thats over a year old). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 This is not processor to processor, but computer to computer. But the stats come from this... http://www.visites-3d.com/visites-3d/postforum/vraybench.gif It is a little out of date. Some of have posted speeds of 2 min 24 secs. with the new AMDs 280s The Mac powerbook posted a speed of 5min 51 secs. My laptop which is a Pentiu M 2.0 posted a speed of around 10 min. But compared to other single proc computers, it looks like the Mac Powerbook is around on par with the AMD 4200 or 4400 Chris, Is the Vray scene used for this benchmark a scene closed to your group, or is this benchmark part of a public forum? ...I am curious as to how my machines stack up. ts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Nichols Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Chris, Is the Vray scene used for this benchmark a scene closed to your group, or is this benchmark part of a public forum? ...I am curious as to how my machines stack up. ts. Bench away my friend: http://www.chaosgroup.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=12220 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cesar R Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Funny i found this thread, I just got a MBP monday, and I have bootcamp and XP. Ill be putting Revit building Series on it tomorrow. I have xp on parallels but I think i need alot more ram to make revit work on it properly. Why cant autodesk make revit for OSX... ? Their software is the reason why I had to sell my G5 =( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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