Adehus Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 I'm working with a client who is happy with my work except he can't stand(!) the people I use in my scenes. I've been using AXYZ models, and they've worked well for everyone else in the past. To the best of my understanding, he's looking for something I'd call 'hip casual'- more polished than Axyz's casual people, but less formal than their business people. Has anyone come across anything that sounds like it might fit the bill? I'm hoping to avoid a photoshoot. Thanks, Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edub Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 are you using 3D people? I've never used those axyz, but from what I've seen they only look good at a distance. For close-ups you'll probably have to go with 2D images for optimal realism. There's loads of resources, like Dosch, Marlin, Got3D, etc for 2D people. Not sure which ones are the "hip'est" though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adehus Posted April 12, 2006 Author Share Posted April 12, 2006 Yeah, the Axyz people are 3D. That's not the problem, though.. there aren't any close-ups so the low model resolution doesn't show. It's more that out of all of the people I've purchased, only one of them were deemed 'appropriate' as customers of the retail store I'm modeling. Dosch has some decent 2D people, but I fear they're still too 'pedestrian' looking for the application. Argh... I feel a photoshoot coming on. Thanks though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Can you use any RPC's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adehus Posted April 12, 2006 Author Share Posted April 12, 2006 I showed em the RPC- no go. Think I'm going to try to photograph the designers that work in their firm... I think that's the image they're more or less looking for... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Hunt Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 I ran into the same issue recently. I composit all my people in PS and as such have a fairly extensive library. The client wanted "Hip, young famiy" people. None of my library pleased her. So I asked her to give me some examples of what she was wanting. This is where it got funny. She supplied images of 100X100px of fashion models (on the catwalk) and shots of shoes???? Not one could be used. I suggested hiring a photographer and some models, which I have done in the past to great success, no go. Eventually she relented and let me use the people I had. My library is a combination of bought people and photo's I have taken. Every time I go out I take my digital camera and snap off a few shots of people. This way my library is kept up to date in terms of fashion, lighting and poses. It still amaizes me that some of the libraries for sale have the same people from the 80's, yuck:rolleyes: In the end my people worked perfectly. So moral of the story, grab your digital camera and hit the streets. JHV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic H Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 Someone does need to get out a library of decent looking well dressed people, Id buy em. Im sick of being a stalker and spending hours masking...shudder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3D_IC Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 I've had this problem before so i went out and got my own in the summer of 2005. Have a look at this link. http://www.turbosquid.com/Search/Index.cfm/FuseAction/ProcessSmartSearch/istIncAuthor/3DIC/blAuthorExact/y hope it helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DennisHolland Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 Next we'll have a looong thread about the definition of 'well dressed'... What is well dressed? Sneakers and a Lakers' cap? Bomberjack and dr. Martins' boots, Armani summercollection, a silk dress and red pumps, black leather and a mustache, guys in a sarong What is well dressed? Let's give the 3D people modelers and Archvision some hints straight out of the industry. If there are new collections coming up, maybe it's nice to have a few handsome people in it instead of those Jenny's, peggy's and Bill's with a face that is just recovered from a serious burning accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IC Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 I don't think this is something to be taken too lightly. I've ruined loads of good images because of clients insisting on having people in them. Lovely contemporary architecture with poorly dressed 1990's cut out people. There just aren't any 'hip' people libraries and the available ones all date your image by 5-10 years. Although the one posted above by 3D_IC looks good. I keep meaning to get out there on a nice day and take photos but even that has legal issues (never mind the awkwardness). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saulman Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 I use www.got3d.com for 2d people and 3d people. Download the sample 3D person and see how it looks. They're very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 The facts are that there are several problem areas where Arch Viz simply hasen't progressed much over the last 5 years. People are a big problem; most of the images I see with people in them make me cringe. Either there to "computer generated" looking or they have been composited badly into the scene and just don't look right. Grass is another big one, and you could add foliage to that if you wanted to but grass is one of the hardest things to get right. The only grass that I've seen that looks remotely real is Vray grass but those of us without Vray don't really have anything to fall back on. If someone could find a way to successfully tackle these issues they'd be rich over night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Hunt Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 I was wondering when someone would bring up VRay grass:rolleyes: DennisHolland - all of them , it all depends on the project. The other issue is geography. Most if RPC's are american, ans thus has American fashions, which are very different to what is considered "Hip" here in Australia. IC - You are right, and I have come aross this before. The issue is something to be aware of but the risk is relativly small. I suppose it is better to be safe than sorry, if possible ask permission from those you are photographing. JHV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DennisHolland Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 It's pretty normal to dress the 3D puppets as timeless as possible otherwise their stuck with it after two months. Still, it would be cool to have a set of stylised looking people in their early twenties. They don't have to wear Kiss-outfits but it wouldn't hurt to see a black leather jacket and a few sexy babes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leoJones2002 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 RPC is the way to go. If its a static image and there are no camera moves, then why not just comp in your own photos of the "right type" of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oenstudio Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 I have started modeling people myself because of this same problem. I think they look better than the axyz people. the problem is to get good looking people to pose for me, and it takes a lot of time. maybe after i'll have more than 10 I will sell them ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bartjuan Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 Key reminder! An illasrtator friend of mine does rapid hand drawings for museum exhibits. He has been doing this for years. He experimented with creating the same illustration for clients, the only difference was that the people in one drawing were smiling and in the other they were not. The clients ALWAYS chose the illustration with the people smiling as a better "design". So, Keep your assests happy! Bart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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