Reception Wip

[warprat]

Hi again I know I was sorta busy this past weekend. here are a few more. these ones well a bit too noisy, I noticed when I set reflection blurring on to about 30% the noise just start splattering all over. any way to get around this. I would really like to sharpen up these renders.

[DennisHolland]

Do you want to increase quality of these ones in just PS or do you like to render 'm again? If your plan is to just filter the grain away then don't bother trying, because it won't work.

 

Set your mat. subs higher, decrease the blurring (with a few % it will be blurry enough I think) and render the new ones on a super high resolution so you have some room to have it photoshopped..

 

Good luck!

 

Dennis

[warprat]

I think I will have to render them again, already went through PS nothing worked to much noise. wht do you mean by set material subs higher? would 3000 x 2000 res do?

 

thanks

 

Kameel

[IC]

If you used LightWave for these, then the mat. subs advice is irrelevant.

 

Did you say you had G2? Why not use the blurred reflections in that? From what I heard they are excellent and almost instant. LightWave's are a nightmare.

[warprat]

I should have tried that I kinda got turned of when G2 was not doing wht I wanted hehehe forgot about that.

well here are another two that I rendered last night. thanks for reminding me iain, I will try see what I can do.

[fire]

hi warprat,

your second set of images r better,but r still grainy.designs r good

[FlytE]

Knowing nothing about lightwave, I cant comment on the noise.... but I would say that the renders give a great impression of the space. The nosy side of me wants to know what happens in the background more.... but in a way thats maybe not that that important. V good images!

[warprat]

Why thank you all . I like how you put that Andy very intriguing for lack of a better word, and thank you again. I am re-cooking these at the moment so Lets just hope their noise is gone.

 

cheers.

 

another scotsman happy to be of your aquaintance.

[RobMc]

Kameel, if you're using fprime then you may want to increase the 'lighting quality' (in fprime master menu) to 1. If it's already at 1 then I think you'll just have to let it 'cook' for longer.

 

I've always found G2 to be excellent. What problems were you having?

[warprat]

these I cooked longer got to lvl 5, the noise has seemed to clear up but it is still there. I still have'nt put G2 in yet did'nt have time. Personally G2 looks really good but I thin it's just me I don't understand it fully not much to read about. But I still try to fiddle with it. As for what problems I had well first when rendering it seemed to get really slow... an my materials just went haywire their rection to light an stuff. you can see an example in one of my other earlier WIP's.

http://www.cgarchitect.com/vb/15946-restaurant-interior-exterior-making.html#post110202

 

I yet have to upload my files here for that scene, apologies but the file were too big have to cut down on some stuff. wouldn't the render be slower if I set it to 1. but I will give it a go. Im willing to learn anything to get my renders to be better.

thank you all.

 

cheers.

[IC]

They look excellent Kameel.

The middle one has too much of a hotspot, I feel, but the other two would be great renders with maybe just a little post work.........

[warprat]

Thank you, what did ye' do to the centre one looks good bit warmer if i might say richer. thanks I 'll look into doing some post work.

 

Thanks again iain

[IC]

One of the quickest fixes for just about any render is to open the Curves and create a subtle 's' shape by clicking twice.

[RobMc]

Level 5 is very low - you'll always get noise at this level, and yes, light quality of 1 will slow it down, but you will find you have to do less iterations to get to a low level of noise.

 

Interior renders with LW/fprime are always slow. Most of the stuff that I've done at 1600x1200 took around 2 days to render. I did a 4000xsomething-or-other render once, it took about 4 days to cook to a level of 5! There was still some noise in there, but when I shrank the image down a lot of it disappeared.

 

If you want good fast interior renders then I'm afraid that max/vray is the only answer.

[IC]

Interior renders with LW/fprime are always slow. Most of the stuff that I've done at 1600x1200 took around 2 days to render. I did a 4000xsomething-or-other render once, it took about 4 days to cook to a level of 5! There was still some noise in there, but when I shrank the image down a lot of it disappeared.

 

If you want good fast interior renders then I'm afraid that max/vray is the only answer.

 

I'd disagree with that. I can get interiors at 3000 pixels in less than 10 hours normally at a level of 40-50 using FPrime on a single PC. I keep the quality at 0.5 and up the bounces to 2 or 3.

[RobMc]

Wow, Iain, that's pretty fast. What kind of hoops do have to jump through to get those render times? I presume you use full montecarlo radiosity?

 

I'd be careful of upping those bounces too much - I've found that anything above 2 gives very unrealistic colour bleed. Do you find this too?

[IC]

I don't get too much colour bleed Rob. I like the the lightness of 3 bounces if I have the time. I find anything above 0.5 in light quality absolutely KILLS render times and the quick refinements you get by keeping it low get rid of any artifacts anyway.

 

I don't enable shadows on my ambient fill lights (Areas) and that cuts render times by a huge amount.

 

Seriously, I can't imagine anything being as quick or useful as FPrime. It has shortcomings but so does every app I've tried.

[RobMc]

Don't get me wrong, I love Fprime. I miss it a lot when working with Max.

 

I think we use very different light setups for interiors. I only add light sources where there are lamps or windows and always leave shadows on. This would account for my large render times. I've found this way gives the best possible 'accurate' render (at the cost of render time).

 

It's worth giving Max/vray a try for interior stuff. Ok, so you don't get fast previews, Max's material editor is no way as slick as LW but the benefits of using vray for interior renders is massive. Give it a try!

[IC]

I would like to use VRay but I started out using Max and didn't like it. I switched to LW and have stuck with it through what hopefully will be it's low point development-wise. Improvements seem to be imminent and FPrime has changed the way I work.

 

One day there might be a standalone version of VRay but until then I'll make do with what I'm comfortable using.

 

With regard to interior lighting, I only use 'shadow-less' Area Lights for fill lighting. I find them quite appealing for daylight scenes and it takes hardly any time to render.

[warprat]

Yeah I have been looking into Vray and max The renders are magnificent, But LW is just so much simpler and If i go the right way The quality of fprime can actually match up to maxwell??? Just a while ago I wa getting a bit annoyed and put off by vray, why basically cos' LW had no connection to vray and I wanted to achieve renders like that. but I found fprime and here Im whizzing through my work never like before.

 

Plus I notice when it comes to controlability like lights for example in max you get all these settings which are really good cos' you can really tweak that one particular light. where as LW seems to be a bit left behind there.

This past week I have been using a skydome in almost everything I render it just blows me away.

 

But still LW still makes my day.