ahbtsang Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 hello, I have seen on internet about the new intel conroe which is called Core 2 Duo/Extreme, apprently intel using this new core architecture they archieved to boost the new chip's performance for more than 3 times powerful then the existing P4 EE. has anyone heard of this?? also do anyone know how is this new CPU compared to the new Xeon 5100 series? I am planning to construct a new workstation either using the current AMD opteron (maybe 275) running a dual-dual, or dual new Xeon (5100 series) or the new conroe core CPU. do anyone have good suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahbtsang Posted June 22, 2006 Author Share Posted June 22, 2006 this is what i found on internet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris LeBlanc Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 Note that it states 3x performance "per watt" this does not necessarily mean a 3x faster chip. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahbtsang Posted June 22, 2006 Author Share Posted June 22, 2006 so is the new xeon 5100 series CPU built with this technology?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tecton3d Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 Note that it states 3x performance "per watt" this does not necessarily mean a 3x faster chip. Chris right ~ just a 3x more efficient chip : ) so is the new xeon 5100 series CPU built with this technology?? yes, the Xeon 5100 series is called the Woodcrest... it's based off of the Core2 architecture http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=intel+woodcrest&btnG=Google+Search Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manta Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 Core2 architecture, Is that the same as core duo, the pentium M chip, or the old P4 dual cores ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tecton3d Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 Core2 architecture, Is that the same as core duo, the pentium M chip, or the old P4 dual cores ? it has nothing to do with the pentium M or old P4 chips... the PM's were just underpowered and the P4's had reached thier evolutionary limits. I'm not sure if it is "the same" as Core Duo ~ I've been reading of Core2 Duo and Core Duo and am not sure if there is a difference... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tecton3d Posted June 22, 2006 Share Posted June 22, 2006 alright, I just read up a little more and Core2 Duo is what Intel is slating as the next-generation in the CoreDuo family. CoreDuo - the laptops already out on the market with the Intel dualcore processors Core2 Duo - the next gen CoreDuo stuff that spawns: Merom (laptop), Conroe (desktop), and Woodcrest (server/workstation) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manta Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 cool, they should be pretty fast then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tecton3d Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 cool, they should be pretty fast then... damn fast... which makes it a game for us as consumers again. Finally a little competition from Intel for AMD lowers prices for us : ) there are some chaps over at overclockers.com building (and overclocking - ) desktop systems out of the current CoreDuo and they are spanking high end Athlon X2 systems in benchies everywhere. What's nice about the new architecture of these "Core" processors from Intel is that they consume less electricity which, consequently, produces much less heat than the p4's and X2's so they can be pushed further and still be stable... of course it doesn't hurt that they are much faster than the p4's to start with :D http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-duo-overclocking_13.html http://www.madshrimps.be/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23453 http://www.gamepc.com/labs/view_content.asp?id=coreduo&page=10 http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2648&p=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahbtsang Posted June 23, 2006 Author Share Posted June 23, 2006 everyone take a look at this! a performance compare between: AMD Athlon 64 FX 62 (AM2) and Intel Core 2 Extreme X6800 and Intel Pentium XE 965 the new conroe seems so amazing! i wonder how it will be like in the woodcrest Xeon ? http://www.hkepc.com/hwdb/x6800vsfx62-10.htm this is from a HK website, hope you can figure out what it says Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 They overclocked it to 3.6GHz?! And got 1115 in Cinebench rendering - that would be almost twice as fast as a 2GHz Macbook Pro. Is this article for real? I can't read Chinese. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahbtsang Posted June 23, 2006 Author Share Posted June 23, 2006 here is another test on: Core 2 Duo E6700 at default clock of 2.66GHz vs Athlon 64 FX-60 dual-core overclocked to 2.8GHz http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1976397,00.asp again, results show that the Core 2 Duo is in better performance than FX-60. I wonder how powerful the Xeon 5160 is , since its using this new CPU architecture for a server/workstation class purpose!! Maybe I've never used AMD before, so I'm more an Intel guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahbtsang Posted June 23, 2006 Author Share Posted June 23, 2006 They overclocked it to 3.6GHz?! And got 1115 in Cinebench rendering - that would be almost twice as fast as a 2GHz Macbook Pro. Is this article for real? I can't read Chinese. Andrew, below is the website about these tests. It has 12 pages, in the first 9 pages it explained how the new Conroe works, (don't worry although its all in chinese but there are still many presentation slides in english. You can try using online translator for quick english translation). http://www.hkepc.com/hwdb/x6800vsfx62-1.htm hope that helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bricklyne Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 .......... the next gen CoreDuo stuff that spawns: Merom (laptop), Conroe (desktop), and Woodcrest (server/workstation) Who comes up with these names? Cornroe(w), Woodcrest? wtf? And why call it a Coreduo, when you mean to say dualcore? Good grief! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinice Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 aakhh this thing is endless....have you guys read about next gen of Core 2 Duo ( Merom/Conroe )....it's called QUAD CORE!...coming out in 2007 or 2008. http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/04/14/intel_quad_core/ I think the proper name should be Core2 Quad or should it be Core4 Quad... I am confused. Why can't we go back to the old days when it is just either Pentium or Athlon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Why can't we go back to the old days when it is just either Pentium or Athlon... For the same reason a Pentium 4 isn't called a Septium. And BTW, WTH is Intel trying to do, introducing Core2 3-4 months after Core... makes it sound like they're declaring Core obsolete already, when most of the market has no idea what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manta Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 Well I could be wrong about this, its getting more and more confusing, esspecially since I use AMD, I don't ussually follow the whole Intel thing very closely, but here's my take on it: There is no CORE chip for the desktop market, so far it has been a laptop chip, which will be named CORE2 for the desktop chips... so CORE-DUO and CORE2 DUO are the same essentially, and I guess the CORE2 will be the same as the CORE SOLO, in the laptop I've read a whole bunch of things that say its a redesigned Pentium M which is loosly based on the Pentium 3, and has always been superior to the P4, like I said that's what I've read, and I don't really care enough about it to research it, but if someone does... I also think that Intel must have been caught with their pants down or something, maybe not expecting the Core Duo to be that great, it seems kinda weird releasing your fastest chip in a laptop...did that chip come out in the Mac first or PC first ?? and thats why their scambling to get it to the desktop, which had better be something great, because if its not alot faster than the laptop, why would you want it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tecton3d Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Intel to ship Xeon server chip this week: http://news.com.com/Intel+to+ship+Xeon+server+chip+this+week/2100-1006_3-6087705.html?tag=nefd.top 2cpu.com review of woodcrest: (note page6 max 8 tests) http://www.2cpu.com/review.php?id=112 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffc Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 Intel to ship Xeon server chip this week: http://news.com.com/Intel+to+ship+Xeon+server+chip+this+week/2100-1006_3-6087705.html?tag=nefd.top 2cpu.com review of woodcrest: (note page6 max 8 tests) http://www.2cpu.com/review.php?id=112 Those are some interesting tests. Too bad they dont show the upcoming Socket F against the Woodcrest. That would answer everything for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tecton3d Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 indeed : ) Considering the Woodcrest @ 3.0ghz tested by 2cpu is about topped out (as per clockspeed) for this generation they've left the door open for AMD to sneak back in... esp. considering the 285 performed as well as it did despite being a generation older and400mhz slower/core. The new Intel stuff is good... but I'm really exited about the socket F stuff... I hope AMD doesn't let me down;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidR Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Who comes up with these names? Cornroe(w), Woodcrest? wtf? ! Intel's convention is to name projects after rivers, just as MS uses city names and AMD used horses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Cassil Posted July 20, 2006 Share Posted July 20, 2006 I was reading the review and benchmarks on 2cpu today. Impressive, especailly considering that they are less expensive by a fair margin than the AMD counterparts. I'm sure AMD will be unleashing something even faster before long, but for the time being the woodcrest (xeon 51xx) is the undisputed champion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahbtsang Posted July 21, 2006 Author Share Posted July 21, 2006 Intel Woodcrest rocks! In my opinion, I agree that AMD Opteron beat Intel server class CPU only in the previous version. Apart from that, Intel always has the lead over AMD. One advantage for AMD over Intel is its price. In general AMD CPUs are cheaper than the same class Intel CPU, agree?? Also, may I ask experts here to give some advice, I want to setup a fast and cost effective rendering machine and I have a choice, which is: 1) to build a dual Xeon 5100 workstation, or 2) build 2 Core 2 Duo machines and run a small render farm. Please give me some idea as I have to decide soon. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 Price them out and compare on price, whether your renders will farm well / whether it would be better to have one faster machine or two, how much office space you can use. You can get the same amount of CPU power either way, so go with the other factors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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