Fran Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 Chris, I think shadow detail is one of the things I notice in renders the most. This scene (which is where I intend to be when the Big One falls, with hatch closed) is perfect for testing that kind of thing. So I just wanted to show that good shadow detail can be had in Vray with reasonable render times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Nichols Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 Chris, I think shadow detail is one of the things I notice in renders the most. This scene (which is where I intend to be when the Big One falls, with hatch closed) is perfect for testing that kind of thing. So I just wanted to show that good shadow detail can be had in Vray with reasonable render times. Yeah and looking back at my scene file, having my teapots accidently sitting about a foot off the ground don't help either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 Yeah and looking back at my scene file, having my teapots accidently sitting about a foot off the ground don't help either. LOL! Ya think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamT Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 I will tell you this... as far as what "reality" of lighting is concerned... my image is more "correct" beyond the fact that mine has no grain. Part of that "correctness" comes from the fact that I am bouncing light around a lot more in the scene. You are bouncing light around a lot less which is what produces those dark grain filled corners. But as you and I know, and as some clients always seem to hint at... "correctness" is not always what people want. More bouncing doesn't necessarily make a render more correct. What makes it correct is the *proper* amount of bouncing given the scale of the scene, light falloff, surfaces properties, etc. Your render looks washed out to me, which is symptomatic of over distribution. Maxwell does very well in this regard, but there's something wrong with the gamma/levels in v1. Maxwell beta did a better job of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 This scene (which is where I intend to be when the Big One falls, with hatch closed) Let me get this straight - to prepare for the apocalypse, what you want in your shelter are 2 teapots and an empty bookcase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 Let me get this straight - to prepare for the apocalypse, what you want in your shelter are 2 teapots and an empty bookcase? There is a genie who looks like Orlando Bloom in the orange one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 Fran or Chris--would you post a .3ds version of the bombshelter with teapots? I would love to poke some sticks at the issue, but don't want to re-create what you've already done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 This zip file includes the 3ds and Max 6 versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamT Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Alright, I had a go at it with Cinema 4D Advanced Render. Five minutes and change: http://www.3danvil.com/temp/C4D_AR_5m16s.jpg The teapot material, which I dismissively addressed earlier in the thread, was surprisingly difficult to match. It required a sharp inverted fresnel in the reflection channel and an overdriven color channel, which is very wierd. Makes me think something is actually very wrong with the Maxwell material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
u.biq Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 My .02 : Vray is undoubtly fast. BUT : based on my experience, I can say that often I can produce a very good image in no time, that's true and it's very important, but sometimes...OMG Tweak, tweak, tweak, tweak, tweeeeeak. What I like in Maxwell is it's very predictable results...and all in all, I have finally more fun with M~R that Vray. I agree M~R is still not fully working and slow, but still... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cesar R Posted June 26, 2006 Author Share Posted June 26, 2006 I have attached the model for you guys to play with. haha I think its funny this scene already has a name. I will try to rerender it in MR if I have time today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Nichols Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 My .02 : Vray is undoubtly fast. BUT : based on my experience, I can say that often I can produce a very good image in no time, that's true and it's very important, but sometimes...OMG Tweak, tweak, tweak, tweak, tweeeeeak. What I like in Maxwell is it's very predictable results...and all in all, I have finally more fun with M~R that Vray. I agree M~R is still not fully working and slow, but still... Vlado posted this tutorial, which works really well for those that like to wait for renders. Basically it is a universal seting that works for pretty much every scene. The only settin you have to change is the Noise threashold (quality) http://www.chaosgroup.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=14747 very little tweaking. It is in general slower then most other methods, but will pretty much garantee the best result in any condition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Absolutly not... my image sucks... it is a crappy scene to start with... it a pair freaking teapots in a hole. All I cared about was making it noiseless and fast. I am bashing Maxwell which cannot come up with a noiseless solution even after an hour. Time and noise is all I am talking about. I've got to disagree with you here; Maxwell is capable of rendering out noise free exterior images if the scene is set up properly. There's no doubt that Vray is faster but I question how accurate it is compared to Maxwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo51 Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 You are all bunch of sillypants! Clearly my CrayonRender V1 is far superior then your silly render engines! CrayonRender v1 can make stunningly realistic renders in only moments. AND can even be used by a child. In fact, many kindergardeners find CrayonRender easier to install and understand then Maxwell Studio. It also has a clear advantage over vRay since it's a standalone product containing as many colour modules as required by the CG (crayon guru) artist. CrayonRender16 is sold in many places for $1.99. Though, more experienced artists usually opt for the CrayonRender Pro 128. You guys should check out the renders it can produce. I have several on my fridge right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 If we pre-order it now do you guarantee delivery in no less than 3 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_PopArt Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 You guys should check out the renders it can produce. I have several on my fridge right now. lol:p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adehus Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Though, more experienced artists usually opt for the CrayonRender Pro 128. I've used Chartpak's MarkerRender 256 with the Pastel and WhiteOut plugins... it's not bad, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo51 Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 I've used Chartpak's MarkerRender 256 with the Pastel and WhiteOut plugins... it's not bad, actually. LOL... Yeah, I do like that WhiteOut plugin. Easy to get carried away though... WHOA look at that! white everywhere! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cesar R Posted June 27, 2006 Author Share Posted June 27, 2006 You are all bunch of sillypants! Clearly my CrayonRender V1 is far superior then your silly render engines! CrayonRender v1 can make stunningly realistic renders in only moments. AND can even be used by a child. In fact, many kindergardeners find CrayonRender easier to install and understand then Maxwell Studio. It also has a clear advantage over vRay since it's a standalone product containing as many colour modules as required by the CG (crayon guru) artist. CrayonRender16 is sold in many places for $1.99. Though, more experienced artists usually opt for the CrayonRender Pro 128. You guys should check out the renders it can produce. I have several on my fridge right now. HAHAHA LMAO - this is the best post ever !!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
u.biq Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 It is in general slower then most other methods, but will pretty much garantee the best result in any condition. oh yes it is, I tried it, but wasn't satisfied (it was the rendering of my appartment and had tried before other usual methods). There were always tiny details in the shadows that get splotched, and each try with new (higher) setting took soooo much time that I gave up. So maybe I did something wrong, didn't check the xxx button but still... I turned to M~R : quasi instant preview for general lighting and (quasi) assurance in the final long-time result...which finally took less time that the vray-high-setting renders. Once again, I think Vray usually do the job, and do it very, very well, but for very high quality renderings with no tight deadline, I choose M~R without hesitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo51 Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 Cesar You must be a card carrying member of the CrayonRender fan club. If not you should be! We get together every week to discuss and use CrayonRender. Each month I get a new colourmodule in the mail. - Though I must say, at last weeks meeting I caught Sally Finklestein rendering on my CrayonRender output... so I broke one of her Colormodules. Now everybody thinks I'm mean, because I made her cry. What they don't know is; earlier she ate one of my cookies. - ps. thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gattomanzo Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 Cesar You must be a card carrying member of the CrayonRender fan club. If not you should be! We get together every week to discuss and use CrayonRender. Each month I get a new colourmodule in the mail. - Though I must say, at last weeks meeting I caught Sally Finklestein rendering on my CrayonRender output... so I broke one of her Colormodules. Now everybody thinks I'm mean, because I made her cry. What they don't know is; earlier she ate one of my cookies. - ps. thanks! please don't post stories like these. too much violence hurts my feelings. keep in mind that this night i won't sleep signed: sensible guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bongo51 Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 Sorry man, I understand... no more violence in postings... or aka. going postal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gattomanzo Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 Sorry man, I understand... no more violence in postings... or aka. going postal :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamT Posted June 27, 2006 Share Posted June 27, 2006 You are all bunch of sillypants! Clearly my CrayonRender V1 is far superior then your silly render engines! CrayonRender v1 can make stunningly realistic renders in only moments. AND can even be used by a child. In fact, many kindergardeners find CrayonRender easier to install and understand then Maxwell Studio. It also has a clear advantage over vRay since it's a standalone product containing as many colour modules as required by the CG (crayon guru) artist. CrayonRender16 is sold in many places for $1.99. Though, more experienced artists usually opt for the CrayonRender Pro 128. You guys should check out the renders it can produce. I have several on my fridge right now. So presumably if you have tracing paper, it can also do path tracing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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