The growing league of enforcers

[leoA4D]

I still cruise the MWR forum for useful info but am stunned by the growing legion of enforcers. The number is not so much the issue as the individuals joining the ranks of the crude muscle. Peeps, the garden variety fanboys, that were very helpful and without an unkind word in the past now issue threats, ultimatums or orders, at times in bold font, like the infamous duo the moment a negative comment is made. Regardless of opinion or fact, if it is not positive about NL/MWR this newer generation drops the hammer! As we know, they also enjoy doing road gigs.

 

It is a shame they just could not stay on the high road and withdraw to the sidelines. Instead, they support or dispense misinformation and disinformation with relish and muscle. Sad.

[Ernest Burden III]

Could you provide an example or two?

 

 

Oh, and let me just add this:

 

I have not used any version of Maxwell since the beta, never even downloaded the RC files, not the v1, haven't asked for additional licences. I reserve the right to go back to it should it look more promising in the future. I am sure that I could make use of Maxwell since I've always been able to make render software do things that it wasn't supposed to do, I'm very creative with imaging. But one of the things that is missing from Maxwell is a support community. The official forum is not an inviting place, especially to me now, so that's just another mark against using it. With the sort of forum that most products have, I would probably be putting MWR to use and NL would see art from me, and many others who were turned off by their antics, to claim as examples of the quality of the product.

 

I think there are still some TrueSpace fanatics holding on, their forum must be a joy, too.

[leoA4D]

Ernest - Obviously the omission of names and quotes is intentional and I prefer to keep it that way to avoid supplying fuel for arguments over details when it is an observation about degenerating personalities and principles I am positing. This is not helpful to you, I know, since you stay away from the NL forum. There are several threads over there where this has occurred and a couple of the new generation have stopped in here now and then to mix it up with resident "complainers" as well as over at CGTalk.

 

Your work is unique and I am not sure how MWR would fit in with your style so understandably, you can have a take or leave it attitude. I stay interested/furious because work like rendertaxi's and AdamT's interior image still turn me on along with the "physically accurate" light and images concept. MAYBE, NL, or a takeover company, can make it work someday.

[Devin Johnston]

I've seen some of what you’re talking about, it's no surprise that these new people that joined in after the RC debacle occurred would have a more positive view of NL and Maxwell than those of us who have been around since the Alpha days. We're looked on as complainers who can't give up on what happened in the past and the moderators join in and back up that sentiment. Our problem is that we know what Maxwell could have been and what was sold to us, these new people are happy to even be using Maxwell and don't really understand what has occurred.

[Bongo51]

yes, we should have meetings somewhere in the northwestern US. We could rent a convention hall, all wear T-shirts with something snappy like "I fought the maxwell, and the maxwell won".

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Lament of a better time, bitterly complain all day, take frequent brakes to eat fried food and drink beer.

One of the daily activities would be to 'render' various Members of the Next Limit team in effigy. "YOU LOOK A LITTLE NOISY... I BET YOU NEED MORE RENDERING... EH?" (more with the 'rendering' torch)

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The police would always hover nearby, but since we were not breaking any laws, except perhaps those of decorum, they would generally leave us alone, though a few tense moments where had when AdamT tried to tell some patrolman that the chrome on his bike must have been rendered with Vray.

[Devin Johnston]

Ha...Ha...Ha.....very nice, I'll second a Northwestern Maxwell bitch fest!

[leoA4D]

The fifth column from NL and the fanboys will be easily recognized because they will all be wearing, in addition to trying to infiltrate by wearing the "complainers" t-shirts, blinkers.

[Ernest Burden III]

Your work is unique and I am not sure how MWR would fit in with your style so understandably, you can have a take or leave it attitude.

 

Not really. Before being forced to move to C4D, I based my work on Lightscape. I want the sort of simplicity that the beta had (but with features that work). I start all my renderings with a pretty standard photorealist render, just like everybody else. If my work is in any way unique, its what I do to it after the 3D programs are done. I am no more interested in a sub-standard render than any of you.

 

With the failure of Maxwell, I will be trying vRay next.

 

My point was that while I am experienced enough to work around many software short-comings, one that is now harder to overcome is a toxic user forum like NL has. So I don't want to deal with any of it. I keep hoping that you guys will report that things have turned around and it's returned to a meaningful forum 'over there'. But that's not what I'm hearing.

[AdamT]

I haven't spent much time there lately, but when I have I've actually been impressed that there are some meaningful tests being done comparing v1 to beta to actual photo output. Thomas An., though he was a lousy moderator, is a very analytical sort who's doing some good work to figure out what needs fixing.

 

As for the fanboys ... I just skip over that crap.