neil poppleton Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Having just looked throught the nominees for the 2006 award for still images, i am a little suprised that not one of them jumped out and WOWED me...!! or is it just me ? i heard their were around 2000 images submitted.... it would also be interesting to hear from the judges how each was judged, and maybe i provide a better appreciation of these images.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus_Rayvus Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 amen, brother I think they are all good, but the best imagery done in 2005/2006? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geardaddy1 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 How are we supposed to compete with Weta Digital for best animation? I don't know about you all but I didn't get 100 million to do my last animation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaunDon Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Yeah, I've gotta say, I don't know whose call that was but I am shocked that WETA was included. They're going to win an Oscar for their work on Kong, why do they need an award from CGArchitect? Weird... By that same token, I wish my work was nominated right alongside WETA! "Oh, who did you lose that award to? The King Kong people? Man, tough break..." ;-) Shaun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
signet Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 our work is up against WETA..........tough one to beat But I am pretty happy with two nominations at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil poppleton Posted July 12, 2006 Author Share Posted July 12, 2006 i have not seen the animations , but any thoughts on the still images ? impressed or not, maybe it would have been good to have seperate categories for the still images, such as internal / external / high rise / low rise ? only my thoughts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vizwhiz Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 how about a Student only?? competition verification may have To be required, but for Those just starting out it could be quite informative and The exposure could be quite rewarding randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Nelson Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 how about a Student only?? competition verification may have To be required, but for Those just starting out it could be quite informative and The exposure could be quite rewarding randy OK, I just gotta ask....Why do you only capitalize your T's? On all of your posts! (ok, not all posts, but a lot!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edub Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 what is this Viz competition?!?!! am I getting it confused with the Viz Challenge?... if so, then where can I see the submissions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geardaddy1 Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Check out these sites to see the nominated animations: http://www.smoothe.co.uk/ http://www.uniform.net/ http://www.bhaa.com.cn/ And of course you can always see the "Architecture" animation from King Kong on the DVD. STill kind of upset about that nomination.... I am really impressed by Uniform. They are taking architecture visualizations to a different level. The stills are nice. I think Neoscape kind of spoiled us with the winning shot last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 Check out these sites to see the nominated animations: http://www.smoothe.co.uk/ http://www.uniform.net/ http://www.bhaa.com.cn/ And of course you can always see the "Architecture" animation from King Kong on the DVD. STill kind of upset about that nomination.... I am really impressed by Uniform. They are taking architecture visualizations to a different level. The stills are nice. I think Neoscape kind of spoiled us with the winning shot last year. Sorry guys, I should have streaming videos of the animations soon. I wanted to get the nomimees up as soon as I could, but I need to get the animations down to a resonable size before I put them up. Some of them are 600 MB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 what is this Viz competition?!?!! am I getting it confused with the Viz Challenge?... if so, then where can I see the submissions? http://www.cgarchitect.com/3dawards the deadline closed about 2 weeks ago. We advertised the hell out of it on the site and in the newsletter for about 2 months. This is seperate from the AVC 2006, which also just ended a few weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luft Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 I think the still images are excellent. However, I'm dissapointed that the judging criteria and the resulting nominees' work all celebrate photoreal type imagery. Don't get me wrong, I would love to be able to produce that quality work, but it's just a bit narrow, especially for a competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 I think the still images are excellent. However, I'm dissapointed that the judging criteria and the resulting nominees' work all celebrate photoreal type imagery. Don't get me wrong, I would love to be able to produce that quality work, but it's just a bit narrow, especially for a competition. There were not many, if any, non-photoreal submissions if I recall. Just so everyone knows how the judging worked I'll do a quick break down. I personally went though all of the 900+ images and 60+ animations that were submitted and narrowed the field down until all of the image and animations were on equal ground in terms of quality and artistic interpretation. That resulted in about 300 image and 40 animations. All of those images and animations were sent to the judges and they then narrowed the selection down to 30 images and 10 animations. They then scored each in two categories. Techical and Artistic for a total score of 20. I took all of the total scores from the five judges and totaled the scores for every image for a total possible score of 100. The top 5 images and animations from both categories resulted in the nominees and the highest scoring image and animation will be annouced as the winners at the awards ceremony in Boston. Ideally this type of judging woud be done with all of the judges in one place, but that simply is not a realistic option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic H Posted July 12, 2006 Share Posted July 12, 2006 The uniform material is excellent, especially the animations. I to think the stills are a bit weak generally, especially the bathroom and that chinese temple thing which is cheesy and weird allthough well executed. A bit dissapointing generally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaunDon Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 I guess that means we all had a disappointing 2005 then. :-( Agreed on the bathroom, I feel studies like that showcase the render engine more than the artist (very stale, but subtley beautiful). And the Chinese submission lacks any separation between the foreground and middleground, which makes the buildings behind blend in with the one whose yard we're standing in. It's confusing, which isn't good archviz. At least Neoscape won't sweep the whole competition this time. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otacon Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Not to downplay the other work, but how do any of those compare to what Weta did on Kong!? They are on a whole nother level, in terms of quality, budget, resources, not to mention they are an oscar winning effects studio! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 I would like to see all works (or top 50?) if possible. think many works are great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil poppleton Posted July 13, 2006 Author Share Posted July 13, 2006 If their is any possibility to see the top 20 or even 50 images that would be a great idea. Another thought would be to have an public style vote, say one vote per cgarchitect member......!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPI Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Hey Lost in 3D World, Did you enter the competition?, if so, why don't you post your image and we can review it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 If their is any possibility to see the top 20 or even 50 images that would be a great idea. Another thought would be to have an public style vote, say one vote per cgarchitect member......!!!!!!! Our judges did a very good job and it was a lot of work for them in a very short period of time. I do not want to undermine their work or their decisions by holding another vote. All of our judges are very talented artists in their own right, and I do not for one minute want to downplay the fact that they DO know what they are doing. As an aside when we had the public votes for the AVC, the decision was ALWAYS identical to the judges we had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 I would like to see all works (or top 50?) if possible. think many works are great. We will not be posting anything other than the nominees. Again the people who were nominated, were done so for a reason and I do not want to water down the fact that they were chosen. It's an honor to have been selected as a nominee in this competition and I think the nominees deserve the exposure and credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 There's only so much I can say here since I was one of the judges for this year's 3D Awards. But I've done enough judging and crit'ing to have some general thoughts that address these comments. How are we supposed to compete with Weta Digital for best animation? Do a better job of portraying an architectural subject than they do. Budget helps, but talent and creativity can shine on a simple project, too. Do not assume judges are suckers for expensive work. Certainly high-budget work, and works showing exciting projects can sway people--judges included--but the job of a judge is to see past the show and look for the substance. I to think the stills are a bit weak generally, especially the bathroom and that chinese temple thing Then have another look at those pieces. Do they manage to find a presentation technique that best features the subject? Are they good uses of the technique chosen, well composed, well executed? Do you understand what they are and how you would use/experience them? Are they deceptively simple? Remember the saying "the hardest part is making it look easy". Also let's not get into a mindset that says traditional Chinese architecture or a bathroom or a doghouse or a chain restaurant cannot possibly be good enough to win an international competition. When you think that way you no longer have a meaningful competition. From the standpoint of judging these awards I can tell you that it is really hard to narrow down the entries to a mere few. There are SO MANY great pieces, so many deserving of recognition. But there is a process of judging and there are enough judges to even out the 'slant' that one person may have (like me, for example). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geardaddy1 Posted July 13, 2006 Share Posted July 13, 2006 Do a better job of portraying an architectural subject than they do. Budget helps, but talent and creativity can shine on a simple project, too. Do not assume judges are suckers for expensive work. Certainly high-budget work, and works showing exciting projects can sway people--judges included--but the job of a judge is to see past the show and look for the substance. Thanks Ernest for posting. But I just don't see how WETA was portraying an architectural subject. I understand that they had to make the empire state building look uber-realistic...but wasn't the focus on the giant gorilla on the top of it? I think your comments make me even more confused why you chose that animation. When you take a look at Uniforms animation, they make architecture exciting to watch. They didn't need Naomi Watts and Bi-Planes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil poppleton Posted July 14, 2006 Author Share Posted July 14, 2006 I do not think Jeff needs to get defensive of the judges etc, I am sure they do a good job with the work submitted, and their integrity is not in question. This thread is just an interesting debate on this year's nominees and maybe comments about future awards.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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