jafs00 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 It's like a soap opera!!! I love it,I hope they'll make a movie out of this!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Speculate away then. You've crossed an ethical line that I wouldn't have, that's all. Glad to hear it, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave davidson Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 /me sighs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_PopArt Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 he so i guess the old saying "where there's smoke theres fire" can be changed to "where theres NextLimit theres a lawsuit" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adehus Posted September 12, 2006 Author Share Posted September 12, 2006 If anything, IMHO they seem to be trying to be more on the level than the NL guys ever did without the benefit of public pressure and excruciating embarrassment. They were clear that you should only go for the pre-order deal, if and only if you like to experiment with Beta software and essentially do not recommend it, in any case even going to on to advise that you wait for the final product. NextLimit never did this; on the contrary they kept pushing the whole pre-order deal even when it was clear that they had a turkey on their hands, such as during the RC's fiasco. Yeah, it strikes me that they (feversoft) have been very honest and realistic in their communications. NL obviously fares extremely poorly by comparison. While the judge is apparently going to have his say on things, I think NL is already toast in the court of public opinion... and no legal jive is going to change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alikashan Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 It's like a soap opera!!! I love it,I hope they'll make a movie out of this!!! actually its lie tv serial "lost" every episode a new twist:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IC Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Yeah 'Lost' would be right. Directionless and long but probably enjoyable for those involved. This thread reads like the transcript of some school kids talking with great knowledge about something they know nothing of. With a bit of 'a reliable source said.....' thrown in. 9 pages of speculation and hearsay. Why? I know I'll get shot down for sticking my neb in here but I thought someone should point out how pointless and desperate this looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 9 pages of speculation and hearsay. Why? That's the real magic of Maxwell. the proof is a fully functional V1, if they don't deliver they won't even get as far as Maxwell has. Maxwell delivered a fully functional v1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adehus Posted September 12, 2006 Author Share Posted September 12, 2006 I know I'll get shot down for sticking my neb in here but I thought someone should point out how pointless and desperate this looks. ..and with this post you answer the question posed in your signature I'll be sure to return the sentiment in a thread you're active in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IC Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 ..and with this post you answer the question posed in your signature I'll be sure to return the sentiment in a thread you're active in. Smug sarcasm is wasted on me so I won't retort with a pointed personal comment. But feel free to exact 'revenge' in any thread I'm involved in [insert friendly smiley] I stand by my comments. A lot of the content of this thread verges on slanderous and any clear cut justification for it is just not apparent to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adehus Posted September 12, 2006 Author Share Posted September 12, 2006 sarcasm is wasted on me Surprise, surprise. A lot of the content of this thread verges on slanderous and any clear cut justification for it is just not apparent to me. Care to point out what is slanderous? There is legal action being taken, that's not in question. So... what is in question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IC Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Care to point out what is slanderous? There is legal action being taken, that's not in question. So... what is in question? If I were a moderator, I'd have asked for some decorum after posts early on in the discussion insisting that Next Limit was the company behind Fry. On top of that, I agree with Fran's suggestion that paraphrased quotes on legal matters are inappropriate for a public forum. Also, please keep any personal remarks you wish to make about me personal i.e. send me a P.M. and we can have our own hilarious tit for tat slanging match without trying to impress anyone with our outrageous wit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Message Guidelines The CGarchitect Discussion Forums are intended to be a professional, constructive, informative and helpful resource for CGarchitect visitors and industry partners. Messages that are inflammatory, non-constructive, or at odds with the goals of the discussion forum will be removed at CGarchitect's sole discretion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Msamir Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 More than half the threads on this forum is about NL's policies rather than the software itself, I wish it was the opposite and by the release of v1.1 it should have been this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jafs00 Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 I love tit for tat displays of hilarious wit!!! come on people ham it up!!!! no P.M's please...let's keep it all in the open!!! As I know nothing about either maxwell, NL or fryrender, I feel it is relevant and characteristic of people of people of my generation to take a stand on issues they barely comperhend or know nothing about...soooooo My vote of confidence is with Fryrender cause they have an ultra-super-cool name (what's the expression nowadays with youngsters? hot?) and they seem to be some rogue underdogs battling some evil humongous superpower called Maxwell-NL......sort of like The Lord of the Rings only with kickass programers coding ultracool software ok.....try to follow me here middle earth is spain Maxwell is Mordor NL is obviously the dark lord Sauron fryrender sounds like hobbits and these crazy patented rendering algorithms are the one ring one ring to rule the rendering world, and in the darkness bind 'em are my paralels uncanny or what? Is it lack of sleep? is it because I'm rendering a humongous scene and the computer keeps crashing from lack of memory what's driving me mad? only you, my fellow Cgarchitects, can solve this mystery!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bricklyne Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Yeah 'Lost' would be right. Directionless and long but probably enjoyable for those involved. This thread reads like the transcript of some school kids talking with great knowledge about something they know nothing of. With a bit of 'a reliable source said.....' thrown in. 9 pages of speculation and hearsay. Why? I know I'll get shot down for sticking my neb in here but I thought someone should point out how pointless and desperate this looks. Clearly you're not a Maxwell user, so there's really no way to convey to you the levels of frustration that the long-time users of the program have had to endure with the developers and a gerat deal of their frequently unethical treatement of their own clients. If you were a user, and had been parted with your hard earned money for a less than acceptable product, then it would be clear to you why it doesn't seem so "pointless and desperate" from this end. Yes, Maxwell users have been lampooned endlesslly regarding how silly it is/was to invest in a pre-release.beta software, so you wouldn't really be telling any of us here what we haven't heard before or realized on our own, in this regard. So we took a gamble, a risk, with untested software and it didn't pan out, and now we discuss issues related to it with like-minded indivuals perhaps in the vain hope of recouping something fromthis whole mess; so shoot us. That being said, one conversely wonders, why it is that you take the time to post in a thread that by your own admission and in your opinoin, is "pointless and desperate", and particulalrly considering the fact that you have no vested interest in the product nor the issue at hand. If not to seem desperate and pointless yourself or perhaps to partake in the folly therein - can one be forgiven for presuming that the sole reaon you did so was to provoke the users of the product ( in which it seems, you've succeed, at least in one case)? If nothing regarding what we're discussing interests you, or better yet it amuses you, then why not leave us to our own devices to 'pointlessly' and 'desperately' waste our time, while you sit back and enjoy the entertainment value, rather than refer to us as "school kids" and chiming in with your own less than useful comments? In other words, I basically don't understand how our discussing this, regardless of how insignificant and stupid it seems to you, affects you in the least bit as a non-user. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adehus Posted September 12, 2006 Author Share Posted September 12, 2006 The CGarchitect Discussion Forums are intended to be a professional, constructive, informative and helpful resource for CGarchitect visitors and industry partners. Messages that are inflammatory, non-constructive, or at odds with the goals of the discussion forum will be removed at CGarchitect's sole discretion. I thought someone should point out how pointless and desperate this looks. Seems pretty cut and dry to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 ... Actually, that's as reasonable an assessment as I've seen - just add in enthusiastic forum moderators as ringwraiths and a few goblins (you know who you are) and helpful elves in the forest (you know who they are). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 As long as at least one person here understands my reason for voicing a concern about certain comments made here, I'm happy. I wish more people understood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IC Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 I am a 'non-user' but I take an interest in all discussions that take place on this board and I have done for quite a long time. I feel I have a right to join any of them whether my input is positive, negative or deliberately provocative. If it is deemed offensive then I'll retract it but sometimes a bit of provocation helps a wandering discussion. Also, I am interested in Maxwell. I decided not to buy it at the time but I possibly will in the future and I have never derided others' decision to buy it. I would, however, hate to see this as a place where people come to express their bitterness over things we already understand and sympathise with just because there is nowhere else to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alikashan Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 guys guys be cool now it really sounding like a war for no reason. i am most probably the most junior of all you guys in my work and may b on the form also, but please dont start a straight lord of rings war..... patience ...... every has his own point of view and its clearly possible &(should be)acceptable that anyone can agree/disagree with anyone. so ...........................................its my point of view by the way......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leoA4D Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 ...I would, however, hate to see this as a place where people come to express their bitterness over things we already understand and sympathise with just because there is nowhere else to do so. Okay, no expressing bitterness (?) here. Maybe airing opinions/complaints/speculation/free speech should be done in the company's forum? That was tried and many users were banned and posts and threads were summarily removed – discontent/free speech is not tolerated. Maybe contact the company? That has been done with v. few responses and certainly little or no improvements with the product. Maybe you have surefire methods of pressuring a (scofflaw?) company to change or be more forthright with its clients? How would you approach a company that promised a wonderful product, then, after spending the money invested by its clients, quietly changes the product and finally produces a flawed product and then ignores/represses its clients? Where do you think this should be done if not here? Please, do share your suggestions – you can help keep this thread from being totally pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Guy's let's try and keep this thread on topic, regardless of your opinion of Maxwell were discussing Fry and its relationship to Maxwell. I know it's easy to get pulled into other issues especially when people are making inflammatory comments, but let's keep it civil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 As long as at least one person here understands my reason for voicing a concern about certain comments made here, I'm happy. I wish more people understood. I understand and share your concern. Also, can we please stop it with the standard Maxwell controversy arguments, comments about comments about comments about posts, and the other "characteristic look and feel" elements that make all forum threads about Maxwell the same? Many of us, myself included, are Maxwell customers who feel wronged by NL, and we all sympathize with each other. But this has become so repetitive that I can look at the list of people viewing the thread and know what the next post is going to be before it's posted. We're in an echo chamber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adehus Posted September 12, 2006 Author Share Posted September 12, 2006 Also, can we please stop it with the standard Maxwell controversy arguments, comments about comments about comments about posts, and the other "characteristic look and feel" elements that make all forum threads about Maxwell the same? Many of us, myself included, are Maxwell customers who feel wronged by NL, and we all sympathize with each other. But this has become so repetitive that I can look at the list of people viewing the thread and know what the next post is going to be before it's posted. We're in an echo chamber. You knew that NL was suing feversoft before Maxer posted it? You're good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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