Is he being reasonable or did I mess up?

[ihabkal]

Dear Friends, a couple of weeks ago a client sent me this info attached. He is asking for a full blown high quality interior rendering. Please examine it carefully and tell me is this enough to do a project from? I just think it isn't enough. Is he being unrealistic or am I being too demanding in wanting more info (like cad plans and sections)?

[STRAT]

dont look as though it's even close to the cad plans stage.

 

it's a case of communication with your client. he's expecting some pretty pictures from a couple of concept sketches. allot is left to your discretion.

 

yes, there is enough info there, but warn the client if he wants specifics he must give them to you. warn him he'll be getting your interpritation of the job.

 

but the key is communication. talk to him and tell him your concerns and see exactly what he's after as far as detail is concerned.

[hooman_71]

Hi

 

if u have experience in this u can make something out of this, but

your client must pay u extra for transfering his sketches to acad or

any application u work with, & abviously for ur experience.

 

good luck

 

[AJLynn]

Looks like you can work with this, but you're going to need some understandings and/or contract provisions - like Strat said, that this is going to be your interpretation, and that changes will result in more fees. I think, from the look of the sketches, that there are going to be a lot of changes - the things that are written as concepts but aren't drawn.

[William Alexander]

.....all the above and figure on additional time for iterations of presentation and feedabck from the client. As in work up a form study, present for approval, get feedback and things get approved by the client move onto to refining the detial. At least that way the client gets want they want and you don't end up chasing your tail and doing 100 different full versions that are "not quite right" or "all wrong". This job does have the "potential" to end up being one of those working for pennies per hour vs dollars bid.

 

Of course if it needs to be done in a week, complete....can't do more than your best effort

 

 

 

my, 2 minimal units of monatary measure

WDA

[neko]

floor to floor heights ? basic dimensions ?

 

if you can get at least those answers verbally, then maybe you could do something with it.

 

as an architect and illustrator, i would be nervous about producing something of high quality and accuracy from those sketches. the design is very 'high-tech' and you really need to understand the details to pull it off.

 

best of luck !

[ronaldgaite]

Hi there!

 

Well artists like us get these kinds of cases often. i know youve encountered some alike. Like all the guys said, everything is left on to you. Your not a psychic! Of course you cant tell instantaneously what your client wants... i mean, duh!! But then again you can do this surely like the back of your head. You could definitely come up with something just to show it to your client. And when he sees it, thats when you two will start the brainstorming and come up with a final result. But of course with itsy bit of infos such as this, that really means extra cost to the client. Chow!!

 

Ronski

[Iain Denby]

floor to floor heights ? basic dimensions ?

 

I would demand these at the very least.

 

If I was doing it, I wouldn't bother trying to get detail and accuracy into this image in terms of modelling, lighting or even materials....keep the whole thing sketchy. BUT let your client know that is all that's achievable.

[TheAllusionisst]

I have done some work for the firm I work at during the day and it comes up that it isn't as economical for me to do it in house, so lately I have been coordinating the outsourcing of architectural visualization. I have learned a lot about the process from the other side, the clients perspective. I suffer from the 'Go to Guy' mentality and in the past I have busted my butt for the client, convert PDFs to Cad drawings, track down all the information necessary, do all the upfront leg work. Now that I am doing this for the consultants I realize all the time necessary to coordinate and provide the necessary information. I know it isn't fair to them to expect them to come up with something from the type of information your original post shows, but before I was willing to do it as the artist and hence have shot myself in the foot by taking on a large amount of work that shouldn't fall under rendering services.

 

What my current conclusion is from being on both sides is that perhaps your proposal should be broken into two parts, one for creating the information needed to do a rendering and one for the rendering scope of work. This way the client can see that your rendering fee is competitive and that their is a cost for the lack of information. Hopefully they either dedicate someone in their office to provide what is needed (that probably will only last one job once they realize the work involved) or they will accept the additional cost involved for providing you with less than adequate information.

 

As stated, I would also provide a milestone that indicates where your scope of work stops (such as your interpretation of the information provided) and additional revisions based on the clients directions based on what they thought the information provided or design changes at an additional fee.

 

Just thought I would pipe in since I have a new perspective, I think we tend to 'suffer for our art' and take on a lot of work that we don't get compensated for and I think the first step is to break that out as a separate item for our clients to see so that they value it and pay for it.

[mskin]

you have a 50' column grid...

approx. 18' first floor height off of ground (judging by person drawn in and assuming 6' tall dude.)

maybe a 14' high second floor, but you definately have enough information to interpolate the size of this thing.

columns are pretty clearly defined in terms of shape...

A decent idea of what the windows are supposed to look like.

 

i think you can make something from this, definately schematic, but probobly something presentable to a client as a "finished quality" rendering.

 

it would definately require a lot of interpolation on your part and it makes you wonder how many design questions this guy is asking you to explore and answer. i wouldn't turn it down, but i would present a fee that would cause him to double take on this one. I suspect many reiterations and refinements.

[ihabkal]

Thanks guys for all the insights, I really appreciate it.

[colinsmith]

My philosophy is not to say no at all.

 

Say "Yes, I can do that, no problem.... but..."

 

and list the areas where you don't have info, where that would add costs to the usual, where it would take longer, where you think the client may be cheaper supplying the information themseleves than paying your hourly rate to guess things.... but if they want you to do that, fine.