Buffalo Bills Posted March 19, 2003 Share Posted March 19, 2003 http://www.cgarchitect.com/forum/filepush.asp?file=Conservatory1.jpg Here is a work in progress on a interior of a hotel conservatory room. It is looking pretty good for me. I have to adjust the color of the stone and take out the piece of furniture next to the chairs because doesn't like it anymore. But my main concern is trying to get the ceiling to appear white. I believe the wood around the room is too reflective and changing the celing color to the brownish tan look. Reflective level of the wood is around 50% I believe. Any suggestions. Critiques are welcomed if anyone else has anything other than what I've mentioned. I also know my Chandeliers are need to be worked on as well. Trying to keep the rendering time down while it is still in progress. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Miranda Posted March 19, 2003 Share Posted March 19, 2003 Hi Buffalo Bills, Your rendering is looking good, although I think you need more light distribution throughout the space. It´s daytime outside (according to your background) and It´s a bit dark inside the building. What renderer are you using? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Posted March 19, 2003 Author Share Posted March 19, 2003 Christian, My renderer is Viz's default scanline renderer. Is this what you were asking. The parameters for lighting the room goes as follows: Logarithmic Exposure control activated Brightness 66.0 Contrast 50.0 Mid Tone 1.0 Physical Scale 8700.0 Daylight Checked Exterior Checked For the physical scale. It is turned on for the skydome omni light I'm using to light the skydome with. Are you familiar with Viz 4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Eloy Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 Hey, Bills! I think that the one thing that really bothers me is that the light coming thru the domes is too weak. If you say that this light is the sun, it should be a lot stronger in order to light the entire room as you are proposing. The overall lighting is looking very flat, too. The wall on the left should be darker than the floor, get it? Also, the camera angle is not maybe the best you can achieve. You show a huge empty area, leaving all the details in the back. Unless your point is to show how great the floor is, this is not the best way to place your camera. Well, hope it helps! [] Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted March 20, 2003 Share Posted March 20, 2003 I think some careful tweeking of saturation of some of the materials will do a lot to improve the rendering...it is a great start. I would also suggest moving the viewpoint slightly to the right and rotating the camera a bit left--it would be nice to get a hint of where that light is coming in from. Speaking of which--there is a diagonal shadow crossing the front area of light on the floor which is hard to relate to the scene. Can it go away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Posted March 21, 2003 Author Share Posted March 21, 2003 Rick and Ernest, Thanks for the comments. As far as the camera angle goes. The client does want to see it this way just because the carpet at its surroundings are everything they want to see in this image. I understand what you're getting across to me about most of the detail is towards the back. But when finished there will probably be more furniture added with some people. AS far as the lighting goes, Is this better for the sunlight issue Rick? I find it difficult to light interiors because I still learning all the different parameters of lighting in Viz4. But I think playing around with it more I will get better at it. I don't do alot of interior shots so I don't get alot of practice. Thanks for the crits. Let me know what you think of this image now. http://www.cgarchitect.com/forum/filepush.asp?file=TopOfConservatory3.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 Why is the light coming from the angle you have it? Is there a specific reason? If not, try having it come the other way so it falls down onto the wall under the skylights. That will draw the viewer into the space, and provide a great setup for radiosity to bounce that light back into the room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Eloy Posted March 21, 2003 Share Posted March 21, 2003 Looks a lot better now. You see, to ligh all this room with nothing but light bounces, the sun MUST be strong . Look around and you`ll see what I mean. We tend to think that a strong light mark on the ground is wrong, but in fact it`s not. It's how nature works (poetic stuff, huh? ) You could also use Ernest's tip. Remember, light bounces in the same angle it reaches the surface, than if you have the sunlight coming in an almost 90-degree angle, you'll get more light on the top. Keep us updated, 'cause you're improving so fast! [] Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Posted March 24, 2003 Author Share Posted March 24, 2003 Rick and Ernest, Back again with the latest update to the conservatory room. I went with and agreed with your suggestion with the sunlight. I also contacted the client to make sure the light does come from that direction. I hope this is an improvement from the last. It is definitely lit up better than the previous one. Let me know what you think. Thanks :ebiggrin: http://www.cgarchitect.com/forum/filepush.asp?file=TopOfConservatory.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Miranda Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Hi Buffalo, Your rendering is great now. Unless your client request any change, I would say you´re done. Specially the lighting is a LOT better. If you want to be really picky...just add a bit more reflectivity to the glass material. Great work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Posted March 24, 2003 Author Share Posted March 24, 2003 Thanks Christian, I'm starting to like this myself. I'm not sure How much more the client is going to add to this image to finish it up. I think it needs a little bit more like adding a couple more pieces of furniture and some people to create some action. But I feel a little better about the lighting. I still need to adjust some perameters to get it the way I like it. But I agree with you on the reflections. I need to beef those up some more. Thanks for the Crits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Posted March 25, 2003 Author Share Posted March 25, 2003 Well People. Here is another attempt to please the clients as they have made some changes to the image. Let me know what you think. http://www.cgarchitect.com/forum/filepush.asp?file=NewTopOfConservatory.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Eloy Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better! I`m sure your clients are more than pleased with this! Congratulations. [] Rick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Posted March 25, 2003 Author Share Posted March 25, 2003 Thanks Rick I'm pretty happy with it myself. The client has been impressed with the progress of this particular project. Even with the first image I posted here on CG, they were impressed. I know it needed some work, so I kept telling them they haven't seen anything yet. Now they will. I am also going to do a panoramic of the space as well so they can place it on there web page to have a interactive piece as well. Thanks for the compliment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Griger Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 this piece has progressed very well. great job! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Posted March 25, 2003 Author Share Posted March 25, 2003 Thanks Paul. This sight helps out a lot. It is great to get opinions on your work because it allows me to grow and improve on the work for the company I work for and for my own personal benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Hagelsieb Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 Could I ask how you composed the trees outside? Was this done in photoshop? Great image by the way! The progression from the first to the last was great to see! Keep up the good work! -Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Posted March 25, 2003 Author Share Posted March 25, 2003 Hey Mike, Yes the trees were composed in Photoshop. I hate to even admit that but it's true. I'm trying to perfect the skydome effect, where you place the scenery inside a dome and have Viz Render it out. But because of the short deadline I have with this group I don't have the time to perfect it. But I will definitely have to try to figure something out because the next phase of this project is to make a panoramic of this room. Thanks for the compliments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 Great image, great improvement. You are going to love me for this one: The potted plants are a very nice soft element, but they do not cast shadows. Maybe they should. If they are bitmaps on a vertical 'X' of two polys then the angle just isn't right for them to cast properly. How about going back into Photoshop and putting the plant flat on another layer, distort it so it looks like a shadow shape and make it a selection, darken as an overlay onto the pot. Sorry, nit-picking. But that's what's left when you've knowck all the big stuff out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Posted March 25, 2003 Author Share Posted March 25, 2003 Ernest, You are such a nit-picker. :winkgrin: Just Kidding. Yeah I agree with you. I did notice it. I just didn't think I would see much of the shadow due to the angle of the sun and where the shadows would hit. But I see that it probably does need them. Hopefully after I get back from my Honeymoon I will hopefully have this job completed to post as a final image. Thanks for all the crits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcahunak Posted March 26, 2003 Share Posted March 26, 2003 Man, this really turned out to be a great looking image. And... here is me picking on ya: When you look out the front door, it seems like after a bit of a sidewalk you dive into a deep ocean of trees. I think you can easily add some kind of a flat lawn or any darker spot to give the filling that the trees dont start growing from way below the building. Of course it depends on the final resolution you are going to be outputting this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Posted March 26, 2003 Author Share Posted March 26, 2003 Bigcahunak, Thanks man! :ebiggrin: I know what you are talking about and when I render the final I will add the part in. The final image size will be 3000 x 2400. I was busy and needed to give the client another copy of this image as it is progressing and didn't have time to get the grass in there. I had put grass in the previous image, but not in this one. Thanks for noticing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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