aaron-cds Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Am I getting a raw deal on this or is this guy, Sascha Berz, hitting below the belt? http://www.vismasters.com/FORUMS/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1235 Has Vismasters lost it's integrity? In the past, I've seen one or two that I didn't think were up to par, but I would never belittle the artist who created the work. I think we should be supporting a community that shares its work, not a community that is competitive. I want to know what others think about Vismasters. Is it just another gallery like Sascha says or is it an honor to be recognized there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kippu Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 i personally feel its a honor to be featured there and that was very harsh comment from him.... wonder what he has against you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IC Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 I don't know what to make of Vismasters to be honest, but that aside, I think this is a thinly-veiled personal attack on you. I don't know what, if anything, happened between you but he seems very bitter about it. Your image is of much higher than acceptable quality in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron-cds Posted October 4, 2006 Author Share Posted October 4, 2006 I had to dig around a while. This is what I found. http://www.cgarchitect.com/vb/16011-how-react-stolen-ideas-gallery-2.html Being too opinionated at times is one of my faults. I guess it came around to bite me in the end. My post starts at #20. That's a long time to carry a grudge. I thought it was behind us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin walker Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Aaron your image is garbage....you should delete it, sell your PC and apologise to the guy (perhaps even pay him compensation for offending his eyes) either that or ignore the idiot image looks cool mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IC Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Ahh yeah I remember that thread. Some people just can't loosen the sphincter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Tizard Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Hi Arron, Here's my £0.01060........................ First - I think you're image is very good. Second - I believe that having an image posted by Vismaster as "image of the week" is praise indeed. We can all look back thru the other images that have made it and pick some we feel are better that others. The clue is in the name, "image of the week" and not "the best image ever produced to date". Third - Having compared you web site gallery to his, I would say that generally you images are better. Fourth - Sounds to me like this guy needs to get laid.............!! By posting our work we are opening ourselves up to criticism. We hope that this will be the constructive kind, but this cannot be guaranteed. Easy for me to say but keep your chin up fella, don't let one opinion get you down. Regards, Trev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron-cds Posted October 4, 2006 Author Share Posted October 4, 2006 so ... it will never be in the Expose book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron-cds Posted October 4, 2006 Author Share Posted October 4, 2006 The clue is in the name, "image of the week" and not "the best image ever produced to date". Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jophus14 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 I think that many of the images created are based off of real interior/exteriors or other peoples rendered images. I get inspired when I see an interior/exterior render that looks good. It makes me want to try to get that same feeling when I finish one of my images. If each image was created out of pure imagination, then I guarentee that a lot of these interior/exterior renderings wouldn't look as good as they do. There are a lot of excellent artists out there that create unbelievable images, but they have to be inspired by something just like any of us do. This is a community and we shouldn't be so hasty or competitive towards one another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaunDon Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Oooh, I definitely remember that thread (in which you pissed off Mr. Berz) -- and I agreed with your take on it 100%. Personally I'm glad the days are gone where vizmasters posted the one-room minimalist studies, as while they're great looking images, they don't reflect the reality of most visualization challenges. The majority of paying jobs involve a great deal more complexity, which are much more difficult to pull off with that kind of elegance. On the what-to-make-of-vismasters question, I definitely took it as an honor, it is a juried gallery and being included is flattering. I feel lately (past 6 months) there have been weeks when everyone in my office has found the selected "vismaster" of questionable merit, but that's always going to happen. I mean, Serge can't win every week, right? (j/k) As to your image, I think it wins on composition and dynamics. The uberwhite palette and the way the light moves makes it somewhat confusing spacially, and that it's monochromatic troubles me (probably why Mr. Berz called it a test render) -- but those are the issues we deal with when working with other peoples designs and material choices. Which is also why I think minimalist studies aren't very appropriate vismaster images. I see no technical reason to exclude them, and some (including Berz's) are stunning, but they're created under very different constraints than what working visualization artists deal with. Anyway, congrats, and welcome to the club! Shaun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron-cds Posted October 4, 2006 Author Share Posted October 4, 2006 Thanks for the constructive criticism Shaun. You're right about the white blandness. That came from the client. My hands were tied. I hope noone thinks I can't take criticism. I thrive on it. That's the only way to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Smith Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Aaron, You're image is great. Plain and simple. Some people just don't get it yet by age 27! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron-cds Posted October 4, 2006 Author Share Posted October 4, 2006 Thank you Brian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin walker Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Personally I'm glad the days are gone where vizmasters posted the one-room minimalist studies, as while they're great looking images, they don't reflect the reality of most visualization challenges. The majority of paying jobs involve a great deal more complexity, which are much more difficult to pull off with that kind of elegance. WELL SAID ..theres loads of pretty images of living rooms and kitchens....which is fine, but the bulk of our everyday work (especially as an in-house visualiser) is budget restricted, bread and butter architecture. I see that as a far greater challenge (if not as much fun) to generate a quality image in a tight deadline...than an all singing and dancing visual with no design restriction / no time-line etc. Its all "horses for courses" perhaps even opening the argument for a "personal project" and "client led project" gallery sub-section ???!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sascha Berz Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 WELL SAID ..theres loads of pretty images of living rooms and kitchens....which is fine, but the bulk of our everyday work (especially as an in-house visualiser) is budget restricted, bread and butter architecture. I see that as a far greater challenge (if not as much fun) to generate a quality image in a tight deadline...than an all singing and dancing visual with no design restriction / no time-line etc. Its all "horses for courses" perhaps even opening the argument for a "personal project" and "client led project" gallery sub-section ???!? We GOT paid for the designs of living room and kitchen in the munich loft project. And believe me it could be hard to design rooms with less restrictions. You have to study your clients wishes and what he wants to see. Narrow budgets and dealines are valid as in off-the-plan visulizations. I never heard a client say, "yeah, gimme that bad visulization". If your clients do, please give me their number! But why not splitting the vismaster gallery in personal and professional artwork? I think its a good idea! Name it attack, strike or rebellion of the young 27 , but the quality of the "image of the week" has eased up. Not in every image posted this year, but it is an ever-increasing problem. Third - Having compared you web site gallery to his, I would say that generally you images are better. "the blinded man said" Fourth - Sounds to me like this guy needs to get laid.............!! No, thanks trev regards, sascha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron-cds Posted October 5, 2006 Author Share Posted October 5, 2006 But why not splitting the vismaster gallery in personal and professional artwork? I think its a good idea! Now you're just being arrogant. Every image of the week entry is professional in quality. Ok, if you were doing renderings that were as good as Jason Lee or Zuliban, you might be able to make this argument. Even then I would think that your just being an elitist artist who foolishly looks down on others beneath him. But your not, your work isn't any different than most of ours, yet you seem to think your on a much higher pedestal. There are levels of professional renderings. My atrium rendering is professional. It won't ever be posted in some of the super high quality galleries, but I tried vismasters and they chose it. It wasn't a personal rendering. I was commissioned to do it. It met the clients needs. They were satisfied. That's the real world. This world you're in where this is just a big competition to see who does the best rendering is a world I don't want to be a part of, and a community I don't want to be a part of. So come on back down to earth with the rest of us, or not, I don't care. I just don't want you dragging me into it. So just leave me alone. You can still have your opinion about the quality of Vismasters but take it up with them. I don't want to hear it and I certainly don't want you to slander my entry on the vismasters forum for others to see. That's what I meant by saying you were unprofessional. You responded that I'm not a professional because I'm a one man studio? Well, I'm a licensed architect in addition to being an artist. I left ten years of working as a designer in a few architecture firms to start my own company. So far, I'm doing very well. I'm doing better than I did when I was a "professional" working at a company. So trust me, I am a professional and I'm more than qualified. You're just being naive if you think a professional has an office, a secretary and fancy letterhead on the stationary. I hope I get to that point in the next few years but for now I've got an office set up in my basement. Everyone has to start somewhere. Let's hear it for us little guys! And if I don't make it, at least I can go back to being a professional and work in an architecture firm again. love, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alikashan Posted October 5, 2006 Share Posted October 5, 2006 I hope I get to that point in the next few years but for now I've got an office set up in my basement. Everyone has to start somewhere. love, good luck for your big and bright future. your work is very nice and i personally look at your work for inspirtion. and so that for you work mr Berz. so be nice and if you dont like the descion of vizmasters for taking aaron's as image of the week so be it you have every right to disagree but thats also true for everyone else disagreeing with your specific point of view. but y you are being personal in your comments with the artist. its just my opinion:cool: . and thank god i dont have no image by me in any gallery so far . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron-cds Posted October 5, 2006 Author Share Posted October 5, 2006 Thank you Ali, good luck to you too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jafs00 Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 I couldn't help my self from commenting on this thread.... It strikes and deeply offends me how someone could be so arrogant, prissy and inmature as this Mr. Berz, who carries himself as he were the reigning King of Architectural Visualization and the Lord Inventor of Minimalism. Mr. Coon's image is of superb quality, and his attitude is that of a professional. enough said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted October 10, 2006 Share Posted October 10, 2006 Agreed. To me (and I have nothing to do with selecting Images of the Week) an Image of the Week ought to be an image that is well-executed and stands out in some way - an image I can look at, say "Wow, that's cool" and learn something from. For me, Aaron's atrium render does that. It's really captured the quality of the daylight while showing off the sculptural piece and conveying the character of the space. Not the most technically difficult render I've seen, but artistically a real success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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