RAYMOND Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 I know everyone says global warming is alarming actually i like it...fun to hear scientists contradict each other on this not that is happening but what the future will be.. I have been watching the ice sheets melt in greenland and anartica... pretty soon there will more land exposed then we go there and design buildings… It does not do any good to tell us not drive around to save gas then the tv constantly tells to go out and buy everything The source of mans input into the atomosphere is from mostly from manufacturing… On and on… Nice air here tho… :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Msamir Posted October 14, 2006 Share Posted October 14, 2006 I hate global warming, its October and its still very hot here in Cairo, 7-10 years ago it wasnt like that at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antisthenes Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 global warming catastrophe or global oil peak? what will come first last 2 years have been schocking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 If the ice caps are melting, doesn't that mean that you'll soon be treading water, Raymond? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAYMOND Posted October 16, 2006 Author Share Posted October 16, 2006 well not if the Arctic sea ice melts... ice burgs displace themselves once they melt its less volume otherwise they wouldn't float.. its the ice sheets on Greenland and Antarctic that will rise ocean levels... some say it will be as much as 200 feet within a century.. the puzzle is the it feed back loops... more ice melts means more land is exposed that retains more heat.... etc... Greenland is observing melting in area's never before recorded.... plus they expect the Arctic sea to be just a open sea in about 50 years.... just think new beaches for tourists... can you imagine New York Harbor with the water level 200 ft higher that it is ...parking might be a problem snow skiers .... choose another sport.... r Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richmondlu Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 Hence the movie the Day After Tommorow, The planet will fix its self and the next ice age will be here...run for your lives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antisthenes Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 im ok i got a property @ 9000ft on the continental devide where i am in the process of building a solar passive pumice crete geodesic dome i heard for every 1 degree water rise the water will move 100' inland. i like the discovery specials on global warming better tham al gores speach same information different presentation. gore is the slave of the same military industrial complex, could you imagine the green fascism him and lieberman could have delved out?! ekk at least the relgious people of Bush are just a joke based on lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 Come on people global warming is a natural occurrence which actually precedes global cooling. There is nothing you can do about it and driving an electric car isn't going to do anything but make the automakers richer. Ask you’re self how many Ice ages we've gone through and how many times has that ice melted all without the assistance of humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fac311 Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 But if all the ice melts all those poor snowcone makers will be out of a job poorbastards spent all that time learning there trade just to have mother nature slap them down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAYMOND Posted November 4, 2006 Author Share Posted November 4, 2006 yep, you are right... don't think man can do anything about it. we just have live with it and enjoy it... personally i find it quite fun to see changes that have not taken place in thousands of years... well, it may help to get more wind power out there. which wont deter global warming but may better than going after oil which won't last to much longer. r:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 yes, global warming is debatable, but the damage we do to our environment is not. we are, and we need to switch to a sustainable lifestyle if we want our planet to be a pleasant place to live in the future. i don't think you can say the pollution caused by cars and such can be written off to natural occurrence. nothing is perfect, but our reluctance to move to different energy sources are crazy. sustainability and green has moved away from the hippie image of yesterday, and has been brought in modern pop culture thanks to people like brad pitt, and other movie stars embracing the concepts. the sustainability movement is something that everyone on this board that is associated with architecture should already be aware of, and if not, should become aware of. i work in the health care architecture arena. as a firm we are pushing green and LEED certified buildings in architecture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sustainability so, anyway, i am getting off topic, but there is reason to be concerned about global warming beyond whether it caused by humans, or a natural occurrence. ..........as pointed out, rising water will cause loss of land, and potentially devastate countries both economically, and socially. if land starts to flood, imagine the battle and price to move to purchase higher ground. it could get ugly. look at what happened in new orleans. the city flooded, and things turned into chaos. granted that happened overnight, so it is not directly comparable. ...anyway, just throwing in a couple of pennies from my head on the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Hunt Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 We all laughed at the movie "Water World", it maybe a crap movie, but possibly it has more truth to it than we will ever admit JHV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 yes, global warming is debatable, but the damage we do to our environment is not. we are, and we need to switch to a sustainable lifestyle if we want our planet to be a pleasant place to live in the future. i don't think you can say the pollution caused by cars and such can be written off to natural occurrence. nothing is perfect, but our reluctance to move to different energy sources are crazy. It's not crazy it's economics, the infrastructure is already set up for petroleum products moving to natural gas or hydrogen would require trillions of dollars of improvements, upgrades or replacement of existing facilities. The only way clean cars will ever become mainstream is when they become cheaper and easier to own and drive than their gas counterparts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 It's not crazy it's economics, the infrastructure is already set up for petroleum products moving to natural gas or hydrogen would require trillions of dollars of improvements, upgrades or replacement of existing facilities. The only way clean cars will ever become mainstream is when they become cheaper and easier to own and drive than their gas counterparts. you are correct, but toyota is doing a fine job at bringing hybrid cars into mainstream. a few companies are starting to follow. there was an article in Wired a handful of months ago about GM saying that it believed hydrogen was the wave of the future. apparently they have analyzed toyota's work thoroughly, and has decided that hybrid is to difficult and expensive for them to build. i believe china is also pushing the hydrogen route really hard. which will have an impact because of the growth of autos in that market. GM is investing heavily into the chinese automarket. part of the problem with alternative vehicle cars in the past was their design. i think i read somewhere that the model T ford got 25 miles to the gallon. kind of sad that 100 years later the technology is no more advanced than what it is. i would be curious to know what the average fuel is. i might be surprised if it is better than 25mpg. yes, the cars produce less pollution today, but the combustion engine is a dated technology. yes, oil drives our economy, i believe we will change eventually, but it is going to a slow gradual process. nobody really knows how much oil we have right now, but experts believe that we have used at least half of what exists. as the supplies go down, the cost will rise significantly that we will have to use alternative sources. currently a prius owner will not see the savings to his pocket book for something like 6 or so years. that is a problem if you are trying to move cars. personally, i find the whole push of green in the mainstream to be quite refreshing. we don't know the correct answers yet, or what will work in the end, but it takes companies investing money, studying, marketing different concepts to figure out the correct answers. the whole ethanol push is an absolute joke. yes, economically it might be a good for america, but it really isn't solving any of the problems we currently have, it is simply creating a new set of problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 However you look at the environmental aspects, sooner or later (probably sooner) we need to drastically reduce petroleum consumption. The Hubbert peak is real. The whole situation is unsustainable. That's why I'm not really worried about global warming - we'll stop producing greenhouse gasses because we won't have any choice. This is without even getting into the "most of the oil is in politically volatile places" issue. I think the first changes we're going to see will be in AEC and transportation. Buildings are using about 40% of national energy consumption, and we can reduce that a lot through architecture. In vehicles, we already have the technology we need. There are people buying hybrid cars and modifying them with more batteries and a plug-in charger - the "Plug-In Hybrid". People are getting 200MPG in normal car commuter use. Auto companies aren't selling them this way yet for marketing and external pressure reasons, but as gas gets more expensive they will. Long-term, we're going to need some more substantial changes to the way we use energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 The Hubbert peak is real. thanks, i could not remember what the peak consumption was called. i watched this documentary a couple of months ago that it was brought up in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAYMOND Posted November 7, 2006 Author Share Posted November 7, 2006 wow getting some fired up input from everyone a couple things...to note... as mentioned earilier, climate has made drastic changes in the far past without man's intervention... however just how much could man effect the atmosphere thousands or even just hunderds years it would so small as to not even measure. but today the volumn of polutants is worth noting. many particals in the air were not put there by nature... also, talking about green cars,,, what good does it do to get low gas mileage when everyone wants to drive more and more and way past what they need to.. plus, its not just cars that polute, its manufacturing a big monster also, yet the tv screams at us constantly to buy buy buy... forget what the invironment outcome... still personally, Global warming does not alarm me, there are good things about it too... if we loose land due to flooding we will gain also due to lose glaciers and melted ice sheets....the iceburgs will just displace themselves. my 3 cents... one cent goes to saving the earth.... 2 cents my thots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vizwhiz Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 i was reading some internet article earlier, cant remember where (global memory fade) which said That The CO2 content was 18x 254 million years ago Than what is now at our present something about volcanoes and naturally occuring outgassing (i just edited myself) any way when water FREEZES it EXPANDS, so when ICE MELTS it SHRINKS i wouldnt go buying scuba gear for 9,000 feet (well not yet), just wait a year or Two hey, my cga home country is Antartica & it is melting The poor penguins will now have To swim even farther Randy i have got my order in at gateway.com for a QUADRO 4 gb machine (yahoo) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAYMOND Posted November 7, 2006 Author Share Posted November 7, 2006 9000 ft won't save you from anything... it hard to breath at that elevation it the melting of icesheets on land that will raise the ocean level... est 200 ft. all ice melting in Artic Sea will just open up shipping lanes.. we won't need to build another panama canal... well yes volcanoes in the past have brought about global ice ages (or was it warming) but when the volcano got done nature returned to what it was however now man's input into the atmosphere is a constant that only increases and won't come to defined end.. i think that is where the big scare is... well it would fun to be in anartica when land starts appearing that no man has ever seen.... and living close to the equator will be to unbearable.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sindala Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 I am actually quite worried about the consequenses for my little country, i live in amsterdam, about 5.5 meters below sealevel, and i'd hate to think what is going to happen in the coming years. The gouvernment is already making plans to highten up the dykes because of the rising sealevel. Also the days here are warmer and warmer. At the moment it's about 4 degrees celsius too warm making this the warmest autumn in 3 centuries, and last year was a record too. look at these: http://www.knmi.nl/VinkCMS/mmbase/images/35023 The trees are staying greener and greener every year while they should have lost a lot of leaves already. So it's really gettting a lot warmer fast. now I'm sure the dykes will hold up for a few decenia but despite our skills with dykes we've had a few nasty floods in the past and we will probably have more in the future. And all the intellectual talking about reducing emissions really isn't going to happen in this growing economy untill there is no more oil and gas left to burn. So Raymond still personally, Global warming does not alarm me, there are good things about it too... if we loose land due to flooding we will gain also due to lose glaciers and melted ice sheets....the iceburgs will just displace themselves. Do you mind if me an the missus camp in your backyard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 ......so far this thread is interesting, but lets keep it free of politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 There's no doubt that we need to minimize pollution I'm all for that but there is an extreme to which you can take environmental activism. Green is a good example of how being aware of your environment and designing in an eco friendly way can benefit both the people and nature. However some people take it to far and say we should all be riding bicycles which is just plane ridiculous. When it starts to make our lives more difficult and negatively impacts the economy that's when it's gone to far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vizwhiz Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 global warming is politics, politics are people To get rid of global warming you have To get rid of People get rid of people and The earth will (eventually) return To its pristine environment which is quite hostile ** i Think i will buy a LOT of stock in computer cooling systems This might just be 'The wave' of The future as it flashes by! global warning 'Ice shrinks', now There is a great future occupation for modern anxiety randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilky9 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 What's wrong with riding bicycles? Only the most hard-core commuters do without a car entirely, but there are many short trips that can be done easily on a bike or on foot. I've actually gotten to my office faster via bike than car; the return trip takes longer. I don't ride to work often, but I do other errands. Anything within 1 mile is easy, unless, you know, you have the lazyness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 What's wrong with riding bicycles? Only the most hard-core commuters do without a car entirely, but there are many short trips that can be done easily on a bike or on foot. I've actually gotten to my office faster via bike than car; the return trip takes longer. I don't ride to work often, but I do other errands. Anything within 1 mile is easy, unless, you know, you have the lazyness. Not everyone lives in your town; I live in Houston Texas which is the largest city in the United States if you consider land mass it occupies. During the week I commute 50 miles to and from work every day, just to go to the grocery store is a 5 mile drive. I own a bike and the only place I ride it is on trails, can you imagine someone trying to ride a bike down an interstate with cars whizzing past going 80MPH! I know the next argument is going to be mass transportation; we have both buses and light rail. The light rail system went in at a cost of about $300 million and the rider ship on the rail is about 25% of its max capacity. The city has to pick up the extra 75% cost just to keep the thing running because no one rides it because it doesn’t go to where people live or work. We have busses all over the city but the only people who ride them are poor people who can't afford cars. In a city like this it's imposable to use mass transit because it isn't flexible enough. Oh and forget about walking or biking anywhere in the summer, our average temperature is between 95 and 100 degrees with 80-100% humidity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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