Gehry uses?

[Antisthenes]

[DavidR]

Catia, according to a recent article.

[AJLynn]

And a pencil.

[Antisthenes]

Pencil ->Physical Model -> Rhinoceros -> Catia.

 

yep

 

http://www.flexicad.com/service/fachartikel/artikel.php?id=55

 

My understanding is that this is Frank Gehry's method of working. He

builds physical models, 3d scans them into Rhino, edits them to taste, and

then imports them into CATIA for structural stuff. There's a great article

on the entire method at

http://www.aecbytes.com/feature/Gehry_Study.htm.

[ihabkal]

which does not necessarily mean he can make presentation quality artistically tastefull renderings. It's a mechanical production at best.

[Antisthenes]

as the tools that exist to use otherwise ridgid materials in as an organic way as possible i admire the process and the tools means and methods used.

 

imagine the clay modeling process and connect that to cob constuction and the posibilities to so similar as a wall system using Rhinoceros for visualization, and construction reference in some way and how you would make the way for that possible.

[Mario Pende]

Antisthenes please stop posting this silly threads.

If you have something smart to say, share, or ask, do so, but dont write this stupid titles.

[Antisthenes]

no.

 

i will do as i please and this is educational and thought provoking. In my eyes you could be wiser in your reply, much wiser. are you having a 'bad' day or something? haha if so i might be willing to listen to you. but remember we are all respondable for our own feelings nobody else owns them.

 

i will ask you please stop using absolutist moral judgement. and posting negative animosity in threads.

 

peace

 

PS for anybody in the future i am new here and already allot of unwelcoming replies have been the rule of the day. this says volumes to new people wishing to engage in constructive productive back and forth and put themselfs out in the public sphere.

 

stupid to one is not stupid to another, in the need of realtive respectiful ethical observations.

[AJLynn]

I'm going to have to insist that everybody chill. When in doubt, keep it professional - this means tempering the unbounded enthusiasm as well as not resorting to name calling or indignation.

[Antisthenes]

absolutely not only does it taint threads with unnessisarities but name calling only serves to dehumanize others.

 

just like the quote of my siggy says to unlearn evil witch is the lie that has us in war and dehumanizing others in some sort of endless reciprocal pattern of retributive violence is to all of our benefit to avoid.

 

in Brightness , Jonas

[Mario Pende]

and already allot of unwelcoming replies have been the rule of the day

I wonder why

[TheAllusionisst]

FYI, PBS (Public Brodcasting System) in the US recently had a documentary about Ghery which was quite good.

[jntdigital]

http://www.gehrytechnologies.com/

 

Gehry now develops his own software, which is basically an add on to CATIA.

[mtutaj]

Where does it state that he is incorporating Rhino in his software? Just went thru that whole site and really only saw CATIA mentioned.

[bricklyne]

Digital Project, the software you're are talking about is built on the CATIA engine and basically has the same interface and GUI, save for the fact that it's been customized and adapted to serve AEC needs. Granted, it probably interfaces well with Rhino (in terms of interoperability and reading foreign file formats and all), but it does not incorporate Rhino, into its functioning, in any remote sense of the word. Part of the reason Digital Project was developed by Gehry Technologies was to eliminate, or rather reduce as much as possible the necessity of third party software such as Rhino, Maya and the like, from Gehry Partners' design and construction document production workflow, by maintaining or intergrating the capacity to accurately handle massive curvilinear geometry - in much the same way that programs like Rhino and Maya do - while at the same time still maintaining the PLM and data management qualities of CATIA. In other words, trying to reduce as much as possible the number of steps (or rather programs;- including Rhino) that their designs have to go through, from the point of being digitally 3D-scanned from the physical models, to the point of Construction Drawing production and parts manufacture information.

 

Rhino may be good at modelling and manipulating 3D multi-curvilinear geometry of the kind that descibes a lot of Gehry's designs but even it has its own considerable limitations. Limitations, such as lack of parametric design capacities, and model data managemeent and translations; limitations which caused Gehry Partners to have to resort to CATIA in the first place rather than reyling solely on Rhino and limitations which will not all be fully addressed in v4 neither. Quite simply because Rhino is not that type of program - at the moment anyway - nor is it trying to be.

 

As much as you love Rhino you also have to accept and acknowledge some of these limitations.

[Antisthenes]

of course but that is only if you see lack of parametrics as a limitation or as freedom to create

 

i think parametrics act often more times than not as a constraint to design (call me a BIM holdout)

depends what application you speak of ', my experience is with ProE and ADT

 

but the new History in v4 is going somewhere interesting and that is parametric in a sence

[AJLynn]

No, it's not parametric in either of the senses that the word is commonly used in contemporary practice.

[Mario Pende]

No, it's not parametric in either of the senses that the word is commonly used in contemporary practice.

Yeap!

Call it history please.

[AJLynn]

Good idea. This one's history

[Frosty]

I suggest you check out the recent documentary "Sketches of Frank Gehry"

[bricklyne]

of course but that is only if you see lack of parametrics as a limitation or as freedom to create

 

i think parametrics act often more times than not as a constraint to design (call me a BIM holdout)

depends what application you speak of ', my experience is with ProE and ADT

 

but the new History in v4 is going somewhere interesting and that is parametric in a sence

 

.......the main point in my post being (and consequently remains) that Gehry's buildings, particularly those designed using this "physical model->Rhino->CATIA->AutoCAD CD's+Digital model" workflow would not have been possible, or at the very least practical or financially feasible even, without the use of at least one program with parametric data management capabilities, much less, histories ( 2 features which Rhino lacked in version 3 when it was used to design Gehry's most famous buildings):- especially when you consider the complexity of the geometry of his buildings' design as well as the number of design revisions and re-designs which buildings of that size have to go through during a course of a design process. As any fiscally responsible Architecture firm knows, those Change Orders and re-designs can mount up both financially and resource -wise if you mismanage the project and don't limit the number of changes your project is bound to undergo as the process moves forward.

 

And yet, Guggenheim Bilbao was brought in under budget and on schedule. Walt Disney had some cost increases but that was primarily due to external factors such as Californian earthquakes as well as the client's desire to increase the scope of the project as opposed to being because of anything wrong with Gehry's process. Take out the parametric capabilities of CATIA from that process and watch the budgets fo the respective projects rise dramatically; regardless of what you feel about parametricity in architectural design. Additionally, most of today's leading edge AEC and architecture design software (specifically ArchiCAD and Revit), don't even begin to hold a candle to CATIA capabilities in handling massive unusual geometric models in a parametric enviroment - there's a good reasonwhy it costs anywhere between 10-20 times as much as those programs; because it tends to save you just as much on the back end of the design process with all the changes involved in designs. That's why Gehry technologies built Digital technnologies on CATIA's engine. And Rhino doesn't even enter the picture with all its NURBS-handling prowess.

 

Rhino is a great program but it has a long way to go before it can become or be considered a primary architectural design software. And I suspect that as more and more architects begin to desire and demand more design freedom, the other programs will have caught up to its NURBs handling capabilities long before then anyway.

 

P.S. I second that 'Sketches of Frank Gehry' is a great documentary for anyone that hasn't seen it yet.

[Antisthenes]

yes i bet Gehry would have loved Rhinoceros 4 and History on the NetworkSurfaceCurve command

 

i know i do.

[AJLynn]

How about we just say "Rhino and Catia are both very nice" and leave it at that.

[Mario Pende]

How abouth we just say

Rhino=900$

Catia=50 000$

[Antisthenes]

try 195$ & educational = commercial with 95$ upgrades

 

nobody else touches them for quality to price ratio

add the free training and customer service