jccloutier Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 i'm sitting here watching this show "hidden potential" on HGTV and the ashton kucher type host/designer kid is showing the makeover couple a texture baked vray VRML of what their makeover will look like. every room. and they're VERY good. If some low budget cable show that has new episodes every week has this in place this profession has just jumped the shark. is there any profession that is safe from oversaturation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Quitting the profession would not be my first reaction to seeing VRML on TV. Consider yourself cream, and you will rise to the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahorela Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 not really sure what to make of this thread......this industry has been growing steadily for many years now and on Aussie TV there have been backyard and home makeover shows utilising cg to show the end result for years now....some of their work I have very much admired. I don't see this as a negative though I quite like the idea of doing that kind of work one day and I think it just provides another income stream for the industry albeit a very specialised one. Of course these days alot of people want a piece of the pie but if you love the work and your work reflects that I think there is nothing but opportunity in this industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 is there any profession that is safe from oversaturation? Rodeo clown You know, I have a damned story for everything, if not a story of mine, then a Ray Bradbury story. But this one is mine. Growing up I was happy being the kid who could draw, it made me special. When it came time to go to high school, I took the tests for New York City's special art schools. You had to prepare a portfolio, have an interview and do art 'live'. I got in. But then I found myself in a school with 4000 other kids who also could draw, and most of them better than me. What a shock! I wasn't special anymore. I wasn't the best and there was no way i was going to be best. So I had to learn to be the best I could be and try to not worry about the competition. Anyway, 'the best' cannot take every commission, there's usually something for the rest to do to make a living in art. And so it was with digital rendering. I've been 'digital' for 19 years. But it wasn't until a few years ago that I decided to make my work officially digital. It took that long for me to find a way to do digital that was my own. I cannot be the best at digital rendering, but I have managed to be a little unique. So I'm happy with that. I assume you are kidding about your post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jccloutier Posted October 19, 2006 Author Share Posted October 19, 2006 not really sure what to make of this thread......this industry has been growing steadily for many years now and on Aussie TV there have been backyard and home makeover shows utilising cg to show the end result for years now....some of their work I have very much admired. I don't see this as a negative though I quite like the idea of doing that kind of work one day and I think it just provides another income stream for the industry albeit a very specialised one. Of course these days alot of people want a piece of the pie but if you love the work and your work reflects that I think there is nothing but opportunity in this industry. don't get me wrong, i'm not knocking the shows' worth or value. i watch every one of those programs and i just notice the exponential increase in CG integration and quality - almost overnight. until two months ago they all used a tablet and scribbled like john madden on the existing image, then i saw one program use sketchup and now they have king kong quality cg on a cable show that has a 500 per show budget. call me old fashioned but i guess i'm defensively reacting the same way our parents did when "robots and computers" were taking their factory jobs away. there is so little work available out there not many of us will survive oversaturation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jccloutier Posted October 19, 2006 Author Share Posted October 19, 2006 I assume you are kidding about your post. no, not at all. you hit the nail on the head with your anecdote. i grew up the same way and openly admit it's 100% narcissism. i think it's a common trait with all designers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawyer Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 there is so little work available out there not many of us will survive oversaturation. Holy Crap over saturation and robot overlords! No offense but if a "setback" like seeing a professional software bieng used for a professional purpose makes you want to throw in the towel and walk off to a newer trendier venture then... well do it. Sure chances are our jobs will look really different in 5 or 10 years. Software changes markets change and we will change. I bet none of us could survive in a future job market if we were magically transported into the future. We couldn't compete with the skills we have. But most of us wont take the time machine into the future we will walk there slowly one day a time and we will change with the environment. Most (most not all) of us are pretty sharp some of the people here are even smart. I have met them some of them and believe or not I bet they can adapt. Some of the people here are really witty and write really funny things in forums - that might be the most important skill in the future I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Schroeder Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Well, I look at it this way: With oversaturation comes a natural culling effect. If you leave the profession, you've been culled by it. It can literally only hold so many, and with technology that number isn't increasing like it was in it's heyday. So, take a walk if you want, that's one less person who will have to give it up themselves. If you stay and fight, the saturation will hit it's limit and the rest (and the lower people on the tiers) will likely head off to greener pastures (soon replaced by others, mind you); leaving it none-too-lucrative, but at least livable as a professional in the industry. That's my 2cents anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ky Lane Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Allow me to sound pseudo intellectual if just for a moment... Its all a case of Marxist theory of dialectic materialism (go google it!). Fads always come and go. I got into 'the web' as a profession straight out of highschool in the early 90's when every dodgey mcfucker was out there raping the market for every single last buck they could score - then came the web crash - Ive stuck with it and now Im doing well. As the industry has matured, its become easier for the market to know who's good and who's not. Just stick it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manta Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 is there any profession that is safe from oversaturation? The Catholic Priesthood seems to be emptying out a bit... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ky Lane Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 The Catholic Priesthood seems to be emptying out a bit... I hear the US Army has some open slots in some exotic destinations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawyer Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 I hear the US Army has some open slots in some exotic destinations? And they have more every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawyer Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 i quit music as a kid in the 80's because everyone started buying guitars. But I bet if you stuck with it you would be really good now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drapp@frontiernet.net Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 If you quit doing what you like to do just because others want to do it, you will only be left with things that you don't want to do, because you will always find somebody else that likes what you do. Be happy about that, COMMUNITY ROCKS! -Happy Person. [smirk] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHE Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 now i have to quit architectural viz because 95 % of the population including third world countries is doing this. I am not sure if I got this right. Are you saying that because people in third world countries can do architectural visualization then its less of a profession now? Those countries have architects and developers in need of architectural visualization and there are a lot of very talented artists contributing all the time to the cgarchitect community from those places. Zuliban, one of the most talented artist in this field, is from Mexico for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahorela Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Zuliban, one of the most talented artist in this field, is from Mexico for example. that's a damn good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.C Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 now i have to quit architectural viz because 95 % of the population including third world countries is doing this. So according to you, this should be limited to 1st world countries? That was rather an offensive and ignorant comment. Might help if you could focus on achieving a "1st world country quality to your works" and mostly a "1st world attitude" oh and you might want to suggest the appropiate party at CGA to make it offlimits to none 1st world countries ips. JC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron-cds Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 i quit music as a kid in the 80's because everyone started buying guitars. i quit architecture recently because everyone wanted to be an architect. now i have to quit architectural viz because 95 % of the population including third world countries is doing this. is there any profession that is safe from oversaturation? You can't be serious That statement about 3rd world countries just makes you less of a person. Drop out, good by. Go be a inner city or special ed teacher or a nurse. Those are professions that desperately need people. Let's see your work, perhaps that's the problem, not the world. This thread is just one big wine fest. Get up, brush off your shoulders and get out and compete. It's a free market where everyone's invited, especially people in 3rd world countries. If you don't like it, too bad, the world doesn't revolve around you. I just noticed this thread contradicts your avatar becuase waffles represent everything happy and good in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drapp@frontiernet.net Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Let's all play nice. I'm sure he wasn't intending to offend anybody. My take on the post is that the turn-around and budget attached to the show and its production is what bothered him, not that somebody in a different country was doing it. This is, after all, a kinder, gentler threaded message board. We're all artists here. You're safe with us. Boo ha ha ha ha ah! (I've been banging my head against this @$#! terrain problem too long, I've gone loopy! Ahhhhhh) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dollus Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 --Gee, I almost didn't read this because I am a happy person Do keep in mind that you are basing this all on a TV show, right? TV is all about smoke and mirrors. I don't think you have anything to worry about at all. For instance, the home makeover show where they build a house in a week actually takes more like 3 months to pull off. Instead, how about looking at it this way - next time someone asks you what you do, instead of trying to explain it to them and getting that deer-in-headlights look, you can just say 'Have you seen those cool 3d animations on TV? I do that.' Besides, for that recent CAD salary survey, visualization wasn't even a choice for a job description so I think you are safe for a while yet. Rest easy knowing that in a couple years, Vray will be bought out by a mega-corporation and promptly sacked by a whole team of developers. Funny about that analogy to music - as far as I know, they haven't changed the keys around on a piano every few years making me have to learn it all over again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adehus Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 There seems to be enough viz work out there to the point that even those with relatively modest skills (like me) can find their niche. I'm all for people seeking their happiness however they choose, but the realization that a very small industry has gotten ever so slightly larger seems like an awfully poor excuse for being unhappy, and perhaps an awfully convenient excuse for avoiding the efforts necessary to distinguish yourself in an ever so slightly more crowded marketplace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold Gallardo Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Hmmm That must be how the people at 'newspapers' felt when they saw 'radio' happen then it's what the radio folks felt when they saw the 'television' happen then what those folks felt when they saw the 'internet' happen. Strange tho since (SORRY!) those only insecure about their skills do feel this way. Kind of the same for people who are very 'selfish' about what they know and refuses to impart it for fear of losing their 'edge' or 'advantage'. If you are secure about your skills and knowledge and creativity you would welcome something like this as another bridge to cross and another place to explore... I for one shows that it is a affirmation fo what this industry is as a valid endeavour and not just some 'push button' automaton thing that's happening; altho I wont comment if Ashton is or not an automaton' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Denby Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 I think what he's really saying, is that he enjoys being a specialist working in a specialised field, and now architectural visualisation has lost it's specialism too. I definately have sympathy with that, but whilst it can piss off the specialists, it's an increased opportunity for others. Hey, how many of us fill our own cars with petrol, do our own secretarial services like writing letter using Word, or create our own web site, recording proffesional quality music from your bedroom etc? These skills were once done by others (specialists). Specialism is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sindala Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 I don't believe our profession wil ever loose it's specialism, there are so many things that software simply can't do for you, composition, color use, good textures etc. For instance lot of people, including nitwits like me, now have impressive digital camera's, i have an eos 350D, and it's very easy to take a good photo. But there will always be professional photographers too. The only thing we loose is people saying WOW simply because something is CG. And think about it, i'm sure the guy who made the animations for the televisionshow did not do it for 5 bucks an hour, you could have had that project too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin walker Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Only difference from now and 10 years ago is the accesibility to software / hardware....but that doesnt necessarily mean a mass growth in talent. Any of us can buy a £5 soccer ball....but I doubt any of us will be scoring for Chelsea in the near future ! ....weak analogy....but you get my drift I welcome more people doing it....it keeps us on our toes....and it amazes me everytime I look at a building magazine, or architects journal how much poor CG work is still around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now