Iain Denby Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Only difference from now and 10 years ago is the accesibility to software / hardware....but that doesnt necessarily mean a mass growth in talent. Absolutely right, but unfortunatly, it does mean that mediocrity fills the market, and if it's cheap enough clients will say 'it's good enough'. The good talent will alwayd be there, but doing less and less work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwana Kahawa Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 The only thing we loose is people saying WOW simply because something is CG. I welcome more people doing it....it keeps us on our toes....and it amazes me everytime I look at a building magazine, or architects journal how much poor CG work is still around It's gotta be a good thing in a way - the more CG is used as standard, the less people are wowed by it. So the images that really stand out and still make people go 'wow' will be the really good ones - images with artistic integrity as well as the technical skills. If it means you've got to do better work to stay in the industry, that has to be a good thing for arch viz! It'll keep us all on our toes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jccloutier Posted October 19, 2006 Author Share Posted October 19, 2006 I'm truly blown away at how incredibly patient, understanding, humble, and positive everyone is regarding this issue. If in 26 posts not one person concurs with me then I must be certifiably nuts. I do appreciate your opinions and feel better about it already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron-cds Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 For those who think I'm talking down to third world countries, I just find it poignant to this matter that they don't have roads, hospitals, or food for their citizens yet there are thousands of people rendering villas on their $4500 Boxx workstation in Timor-Leste. It just shows how popular this has become. So what's wrong with that? I was lucky to be born here in America. I've been given opportunities that few would get in many other countries around the world. If someone has the drive and determination to rise above their current environment and compete with others who live in more developed places, then more power to them. We've got people here who are doing renderings in countries that are war torn and poor. There are people who are doing work in countries that have recently joined in the internet experience. If you think that it's bad that someone in a poor country has the audacity to own a $4500 boxx workstation and do renderings, then you're just an ignorant jackass. I think the problem you should worry about is all the people out there using pirated software to compete with us. Then again, most of them do terrible renderings, so I'm not worried. The good clients will want to work with professionals. I don't want clients who consider using the overseas renderers who charge $200 for a rendering that I would do for $3000. Fortunately, not every client is jumping at that opportunity. I used to be worried about that when I first heard of it but decided it was futile to worry about things I can't control. I just have to do my best and demand payment that's fair. I have architecture to fall back on though if the market is undervalued too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 I just find it poignant to this matter that they don't have roads, hospitals, or food for their citizens yet there are thousands of people rendering villas Few things are as simple as the labels we give them. How's this for a statement to someone "you're an ignorant ass, so where do you get off signing up for classes?" We have one world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron-cds Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Can a moderator delete this ignorant thread? There are too many valued cgarchitect members who are in so called "3rd world countries". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jccloutier Posted October 19, 2006 Author Share Posted October 19, 2006 Can a moderator delete this ignorant thread? There are too many valued cgarchitect members who are in so called "3rd world countries". I couldn't agree more. Please delete. I beg you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawyer Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Patriotism and self-preservation are not viable topics here I guess. (brain knows I shouldnt reply but fingers won't stop typing) patriotism in an international setting is often not a good idea. Any value system that places certain people above others based on an accident of birth is best reserved for places where the people you are discrediting are not present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 ... Patriotism and self-preservation are not viable topics here I guess. Ohhhhhhhhhhh. That's what that was about. I thought it was about quitting things you enjoy because others wanted to do them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron-cds Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 (brain knows I shouldnt reply but fingers won't stop typing) patriotism in an international setting is often not a good idea. Any value system that places certain people above others based on an accident of birth is best reserved for places where the people you are discrediting are not present. well put. Jeremy, you're 35. Stop acting like a baby and stop being so offensive. That's what isn't a viable topic here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jccloutier Posted October 19, 2006 Author Share Posted October 19, 2006 well put. Jeremy, you're 35. Stop acting like a baby and stop being so offensive. That's what isn't a viable topic here. If you read post #28, I tried to make peace, be polite and complimentary to the other posters, and acknowledged my warped perception so I'll leave it at that. If you want to continue to make me into a monster have at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sindala Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Just goes to show you have to choose your words carefully! As everywhere. Good to see you're looking up again Jeremy. Now sink those monsterteeth into your work! It's a fun job to be in! edit: and don't mention the war! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron-cds Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 For those who think I'm talking down to third world countries, I just find it poignant to this matter that they don't have roads, hospitals, or food for their citizens yet there are thousands of people rendering villas on their $4500 Boxx workstation in Timor-Leste. It just shows how popular this has become. This is polite or complimentary? Wow, you are warped. I don't think you're a monster, just ignorant. There's alot of ignorance in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adehus Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 The thing I take away from this, with respect to 3rd world countries, is that there are people out there who have less than I do and who obviously have to make much greater sacrifices that I do to acquire the necessary equipment to work in 3D... and they still think it's a worthwhile thing to do and very likely appreciate it all the more for the sacrifices they made. Sometimes it's worthwhile to reflect on such things, and realize that some of us have the luxuries of being blase and following our misguided narcissism. Can you imagine a Cambodian who just got his first machine saying, "gosh, this just isn't me anymore!" I've spent some time there, and I sure can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gus_Rayvus Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 We have one world. Word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaunDon Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Back to the topic at hand... I for one welcome the day when I can tell someone I work in visualization and they'll have some idea what I'm talking about. I've refined my definition over the years to try and explain what I do to people with minimal verbage, but when I hear my parents telling their friends it quickly deteriorates into "So he's a CAD drafter?" "No..." "Oh, an architect then?" "No, not that either..." etc., etc. And I'm not really sure what "the party is over" means. Have you ever tried starting a company in this niche industry and have to market your services when no one has any idea what you do or why they would even need it? We've spent three years doing this in New England of all places, which has a lot of architects and real estate brokers content to "do it the old fashioned way," and I can tell you it's been rough. It's been getting a lot better, clients are more educated and more people demand renderings, but seriously working in an obscure industry in many ways never has been a party. Shaun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Word. Gus, you are a cruel, heartless man. I'm scarred now, having my words conjur such an aberration as that. And speaking of parties being over, how did the traditional media renderers (I used to be one of them) feel about having all these buttonpushers muscling in onto their turf? Who cares, it's an open market. We all have to find our own way to compete and contribute. It's always been like that. Of course, some entire professions have become extinct. But I don't think ours will, at least not anytime within most of our useful career-spans. However, it must evolve. Seeing more visualization can be a sign of the market expanding, not becoming oversaturated. Perhaps we will have to face a day when we are like plasterers in an age of SheetRock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShaunDon Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 And speaking of parties being over, how did the traditional media renderers (I used to be one of them) feel about having all these buttonpushers muscling in onto their turf? It's a very good point, Ernest. And in the digital age we have to be equipped to deal with market changes at an alarming rate -- in five years, there will be new fields which folks right now are struggling to predict. The only constant is that in any of these fields the talented artists will always be in demand. Shaun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawyer Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 how did the traditional media renderers (I used to be one of them) feel about having all these buttonpushers muscling in onto their turf? And I bet 20 years ago someone from an architects firm could have wondered into an other architects office seen cad drawings and summed up that in 5 years no one will need drafters because everything would be a push of a button. Architects would be able to draft everything by themselves... and none of that happened. Then maybe someone back 20 years ago thought that there will be this interwebnetty thing and eveyone in the world will have computers that talk to each other and that architects could outsource all of their work to a talented oversea workforce that has a dramaticly lower standard of living and nothing will get drafted in america anymore. Again possible but hasn't happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jafs00 Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 ahh the global economy...natural selection...adapt and evolve...It's neither sad, nor fair, nor unfair, it's life... I don't know, I couldn't sympathize with you, and your point of view struck me as arrogant. I can't begin to describe on how many counts...quitting because there are other people who can do what you do and probably do it better than you is the way life is, you can rise to the occasion by learning more and becoming better...but if you get easily discouraged it just shows your lack of character...or that you truly are in the wrong profession. to quote fight club..."We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off." Most people in this field are not doing this because we're trendy, or because the pay is ultra-super-great... and we in the third world countries... most can only dream of having a $4800 computer...the way things are around here is you have to work more for less $...I'm not bitter about it and neither should you, we're just trying to make it through life as well... If I can give one piece of advice, Instead of worrying what your next career will be,take a time out, reflect on yourself,ask yourself what you want out of life and how you are going to get it, and on the way, learn some humility, learn some humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron-cds Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Excellent words of wisdom Julio. All I could come up with was "duh, you're ignorant." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkletzien Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Gus, you are a cruel, heartless man. I'm scarred now, having my words conjur such an aberration as that. While I am going to let Jeremy twist in the wind, I rush to defend John Denver who was an idealist - though I'll admit One World as an album was a little preachy and naive especially when it came to nuclear disarmament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 John Denver was an idealist Wow! Smackdown by a John Denver fan. I'm fallin' fast! One day you're top of your field, the next you find yourself in an alley with nothing left but Rocky Mountain High playing endlessly in your head. Goodbye, eveyone, its been nice. I should've learned Max while I had the chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron-cds Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Wow! Smackdown by a John Denver fan. Who are you going to attack next? Bob Ross? Is nothing sacred anymore? confession: I used to get entranced watching his shows when I was 10. My parents thought I was a little wierd. My favorite was when he made happy trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkletzien Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 Wow! Smackdown by a John Denver fan. I'm fallin' fast! One day you're top of your field, the next you find yourself in an alley with nothing left but Rocky Mountain High playing endlessly in your head. Goodbye, eveyone, its been nice. I should've learned Max while I had the chance. Just Thank God You're a Country Boy, and you know Cinema 4D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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