STRAT Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Hi chaps I'm putting in for a couple of new workstations in work here. i was going to buy a couple about 6 months back, but that was before core 2's and dual core processing was a fairly cheap standard, which it is these days. but, i'd like a dual quad. ie, and oct. do quad processors exist, or when are they coming out? and more importantly, will i be able to buy a dual quad off the shelf? can anyone give me some advise please or webbys i can get some pricing from? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koper Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 best bet is to check on Dell's site!! they truly are the best at building custom pc's and have the best support when buying one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Dell is currently offering them in their precision workstations, in single quad core or dual quad core format. Intel has released the extreme version, ($1200 USD) but more affordable solutions should be on sale in the first quarter of 07. Personally I'm going to wait until then... Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted November 27, 2006 Author Share Posted November 27, 2006 yes, looking at Dell's site the difference in price between a single quad core and 2 dual cores is MASSIVE!!!! why is this? wouldn't the speeds of a single quad core machine more or less equate the speeds of a X2 dual core machine? but why is the quad core nearly 3 times the cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manta Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 If your talking about, lets say an Amd X2 4000, one Quad xeon will be at least twice as fast, (2 cores Vs 4 cores) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted November 27, 2006 Author Share Posted November 27, 2006 If your talking about, lets say an Amd X2 4000, one Quad xeon will be at least twice as fast, (2 cores Vs 4 cores) i know that, what i said was a x2 dual core. ie, 4 cores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Warner Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 yes, looking at Dell's site the difference in price between a single quad core and 2 dual cores is MASSIVE!!!! why is this? wouldn't the speeds of a single quad core machine more or less equate the speeds of a X2 dual core machine? but why is the quad core nearly 3 times the cost? The one thing I could think of is that the motherboards are dual-quad core capable, meaning you could have 8 cores if you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manta Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 i know that, what i said was a x2 dual core. ie, 4 cores. X2's are not dual cpu capable...so you must have misspoke... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted November 27, 2006 Author Share Posted November 27, 2006 by 'X2' i mean 'times two' as in 'two of them'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manta Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 Sorry, but it would be helpful not to use "X2" when talking about CPU's, since its a pretty common processor line by AMD... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted November 27, 2006 Author Share Posted November 27, 2006 sorry m8, my error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manta Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 No problem, I think that the quad core2 systems are going to be the best value for the money, i.e. one quad core Kentsfield in a single slot motherboard, they will be out soon, and don't require special ram... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 I bet that Dell was a quad-core Xeon. Those are pretty damn expensive and can be used in dual-quad (8 cores!) configurations. A Core2 Extreme QXwhatever is probably going to cost you less than a dual-dual Xeon, since it uses a cheaper MB and RAM and you only use one of them, and a Core2 Quad when it becomes available would probably be a lot less expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianKitts Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 why is this? wouldn't the speeds of a single quad core machine more or less equate the speeds of a X2 dual core machine? but why is the quad core nearly 3 times the cost? I've always understood it to be like this..... it's not so much the speed that you're paying for it's the research and development costs that are still buried in the costs of the processor. After a product is on the market and enough are bought they can drop the prices because all the development for the processor has been paid for.... at which point the manufacturer only has to pay for is the labor and parts (generically speaking) and the rest is all profit. So they may still make as much profit as they did before (or more) but the cost to the consumer is remarkable lower. Since the quads are still pretty new you're still paying the extra kick for all the development costs. Same thing goes with any product that hits the market, hence flat panel monitors are dropping, plasma TV's are going down, it depends on the product on when it hits the point that R&D are covered as to when the price drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macer Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 If you are looking at Core 2 products (cheaper than Xeon) the E6700 (Dual core @ 2.67GHz - 350pounds) is almost double the price of the QX6700 (quad core @ 2.66GHz - 700pounds) - pricing from scan.co.uk. Like Chuck mentioned above, a slightly slower clocked version should be out towards the end of January 07, quite a bit cheaper too! But if you really want dual quads you'll need to get the Xeons and which means forking out a lot of cash. See the link below for a better explaination of intel quad core xeons.... http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=4914 Let us know what you decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted November 27, 2006 Author Share Posted November 27, 2006 Let us know what you decide. yup, the xeons do cost a small fortune. my boss agreed to a couple of new machines for me a few months back, but we decided to hold on a bit see what new stuff came out. trouble is, if we wait a few more months for cheaper stuff, there's bound to be even greater stuff promised on the horizon even more months off worth a wait. i think i'll wait until the beginning of January and order a couple of fast dual dual cores. at least they'll be quad processing in effect. otherwise i'll be constantly waiting. i'm currently running 2 dual xeons, which, are showing their age at nearly 3 years old, but still are very respectable machines. still faster than any single core pc's out there. i think a quad (2 duals) machine will be a nice noticable upgrade wouldn't you say? the price saved on not going for a quad xeon will allow me a better hard drive and more fast ram. and as i say, how long do i want to wait for prices to drop? the best advise is to always buy the best you can afford at the time, because it'll surely be out of date by next week anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 i think i'll wait until the beginning of January and order a couple of fast dual dual cores. Your boss may prefer you order just before Jan. 1 for tax reasons. Then again, that thinking may be a product of US tax laws, maybe its not an issue there with the VATs. Here in the US, buying in December means you take the tax savings soon, Jan. means not for another year (assuming calendar fiscals). Also--how does C4D treat a dual CPU? I know a dual-core just spawns two renderlines. But will two CPUs (or four) need NetRender to use? That would be a big drawback. FinalRender2 simply generates more buckets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vizwhiz Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 here is an interesting link with some vray benchmarks http://www.vrayelite.com/benchmarks.php There is a small comparison of etc cpu's somebody has built a 8-core 16 cpu unit ** check it out i am going To download The scene and see what i come up with when i get my quad-core in 3 more days, just waiting, just waiting Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Warner Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 i think a quad (2 duals) machine will be a nice noticable upgrade wouldn't you say? We got some quads (2 dual core) here and they spank the dual xeon's we had. I don't remember the exact time, but the Vray benchmark file went from 15 minutes rendering down to under 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koper Posted November 27, 2006 Share Posted November 27, 2006 After a product is on the market and enough are bought they can drop the prices because all the development for the processor has been paid for.... and at this time new technology hits the market which makes you wonder if you should upgrade or wait a bit more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutaj Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 here is the link to HP, just talked to them today since I couldn't find the quads on their site. http://h71016.www7.hp.com/dstore/MiddleFrame.asp?page=config&ProductLineId=433&FamilyId=2437&BaseId=19371&oi=E9CED&BEID=19701&SBLID= not that bad, the memory is what kills you Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 the memory is what kills you MEMORY from HP: 4x2GB=8GB add $1,661 8x2GB=16GB add $3,311 8x4GB=32GB add $26,858 Yeah, I think the 8GB level looks pretty good. I guess 4GB memory modules are a bit pricey. 16Gb on an 8core machine should be just right. Would you go 32bit OS or 64bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutaj Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 you would have to go 64 bit, otherwise your stuck with only the 2gig, or 3 gigs with the 3 gig switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted November 28, 2006 Author Share Posted November 28, 2006 2 gigs is ample for me. also yes, cinema takes advantage of multiprocessing beautifully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted November 28, 2006 Share Posted November 28, 2006 2 gigs is ample for me. also yes, cinema takes advantage of multiprocessing beautifully. 2 gig per core, not total. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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