tommyjj Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Hi guys... This probably seems like a really petty thing to be asking about but... About 2 months ago we employed an Autocad operator at the small practice i work for. He has a degree in industrial product design. I am responsible for all of the visualisation work here, which we use for marketing and planning. I use 3ds max with vray and photoshop to create and refine my images. Anyway... this new guy has had experience with Pro Engineer during his degree and has increasingly been telling me (infront of my boss) that he could do my job easily! Even though he has never used 3ds max and has no architectural experience, he insists that pro engineer is both similar and far more complex than Max, and that he could learn to use it 'in a few weeks'. I'm always being told by my superiors here and by my freelance clients that my work is really good and now this guy turns up and tells me that what i do is easy and that he could do it better. Is Pro Engineer really anything like Max? It took me over a year to teach myself how to use 3d Studio properly, and that was doing about 3-4 every day. is it possible to learn it in a few weeks? or is this guy (as i suspect) just a bit of a dickhead? I'll stop whining now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin walker Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 is this guy (as i suspect) just a bit of a dickhead? QUOTE] well hes a "straight out of college / I know everything" kid.....so yeah! Max and V-Ray takes years to master , and its ever on-going as we learn new techniques. Chin up mate, this guy sounds like a tool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tommyjj Posted December 1, 2006 Author Share Posted December 1, 2006 cheers dude.. There's nothing worse than having something you've been passionate about for years belittled by some know-it-all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Smith Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 My first AutoCAD job was with an aerospace company and i spent most of my time designing small aircraft parts. I played around with PRO-E, and found it very easy to pick up. The learning curve of that program is far less than the 3ds Max / VRay, especially when you add the required knowledge of having to know how to read architectural drawings, but a building together, and try to learn a little AutoCAD. He's fooling himself it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaPixel Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Pro-E or Solidworks or Solidedge are parametric solid modelers built from the ground up for the mechanical/industrial design industry. I am a veteran Solidworks user and can attest to the advantages these tools have over precision modeling... but not much more then that. They currently arn't meant to be Architectural design tools and require third party plug-ins for visualization and let me tell you.... that's pretty much the reason I'm using MAX today. I'm not sure what this guy is tauting, but if he's saying he can preform the role of the marketing guy in Pro-E alone, he's most certainly an uninformed and overenthuesiastic Tool. I don't think you have anything to worry about. Ask this guy for a portfolio... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Eloy Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 If he´s comparing Pro Engineer to Max, than he knows nothing about it. He´s just full of s..., I might say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notamondayfan Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 i just laughed when i saw the title. is this guy for real? its like saying ive got a driving licence, so i can beat alonso! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andreg Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Just show him one of your best renders and ask him to do better, then show the results to your boss and let him compare. I'm sure he's full of sh*t. Yet another pretentious know it all because he has a degree. Next thing you know, he'll be asking for a better salary than you. Don't despair, with an attitude like that he probably won't be around for long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesaberdeen Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 I wouldnt worry about him saying these things in front of your boss. He is just making himself look unprofessional and petty. Your boss has probably assesed his character in the same way as everyone else who has replied to your posting. Maintain your dignity and ignore this grade A plonker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianKitts Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Working in MAX may seem easy to him if he's worked in a 3d environment before.... but just remind the guy it takes practice and talent to create a quality end product.... not just the "ability" to use the program. sure he could do it "easily"......but can he do it "well" ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dollus Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 Well, there is a free 30 day trial available. That would be 4 weeks - more than enough time according to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy L Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 he' probably an idiot, but id hold your tongue til you see his work. You never know, best be smug later than sooner, after all he who laughs last.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianKitts Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 .... after all he who laughs last.... ... didn't get the joke!!!! good advice though.... have you seen any of this guys work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Branch Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 I used Pro/E for 7 years as a mechanical designer and it is great for that specific industry. I became proficient at it in about a year. I made the move to 3D visualization about 3 years ago and I am still learning everyday! (Think about it...Modeling, lighting, textures, cameras, animation, composition, editing!) This guy is just an insecure trash-talking blowhard...he will be looking for work sooner than you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manta Posted December 1, 2006 Share Posted December 1, 2006 I say tell him to put his money where his mouth is, the next time he says it, ask him if he'd like to backup that statement with some examples, and you'll expect to see them in two weeks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imgumbydammit Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 Show him this thread IGD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahorela Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 dopey bastard he is. Arch viz is about way more than software anyway, if I were you I wouldn't take any crap from this upstart, I'd tell him exactly what I thought (lots of profanity) and tell him to put up or shut up in no uncertain terms whether your boss is listening or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazdaz Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 MAX and Pro/E are similar only in the fact that they both work in a 3D environment. I know MAX very well, and while I only barely know Pro/E, I know SolidWorks (another parametric solid modeler) very well, and AutoCAD also. CAD and DCC are very different animals... and unfortunately for me, I have to jump between the CAD and DCC world on a daily basis. Unless he actually has experience with a DCC program, he is probably just full of hot air... BUT, on the other hand, just because he knows Pro/E doesn't mean that he wouldn't be good at doing visualizations. For all you know, he might have a copy of MAX at home and is very good with the program. The only reason I say that is because at my current job, I was hired to mostly do CAD - even though I had done renderings and design at my previous company. The fact that I already knew MAX better than the guys using it at this company was unknown to them until I started to show off my portfolio stuff to a few people here and there within the company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antisthenes Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 i know both well and i would always use Rhinoceros over them i even cheated on my Pro-E class and got a A by making my parts in Rhinoceros and importing to ProE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manta Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 i know both well and i would always use Rhinoceros over them i even cheated on my Pro-E class and got a A by making my parts in Rhinoceros and importing to ProE Thank you, that was Extremely useful... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 i know both well and i would always use Rhinoceros over them i even cheated on my Pro-E class and got a A by making my parts in Rhinoceros and importing to ProE I could almost admire your unwavering dedication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imgumbydammit Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 I could almost admire your unwavering dedication. Cheating is an admirable character trait IGD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manta Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 Cheating is an admirable character trait IGD That's a whole other subject, what he meant was this guys propensity of somehow slipping Rhino into every coversation, no matter what the topic is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckytohaveher Posted December 2, 2006 Share Posted December 2, 2006 Why don't you take the high road? Just let him get assigned to a big and important project and then have him do the project his way. When he fails, you will look golden. In addition, you would be doing him a favor -- when he is in the the office with the boss explaining his giant failure... he will have learned something. Sometimes the best lesson is failure. This guy's problem isn't that he doesn't know what he's talking about -- it is that he is arrogant. Just help him learn. It is an almost siantly approach, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antisthenes Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 it realy wan't cheating, in a litteral sence to me it was a time saving option i had open to me that worked extreemly well and yes i am dedicated to a product that the developers listen to me for shure. becasue it's about to blow up in many peoples laps as a very useful tool if it is not already. i think people are ready for a change (that is the going theme) ok back on topic what does this guy export to to do renders from Pro-E? That is something i am currious in. Even thou i don't want to be involved in the char. assasination of anybody I do want to know so we can all learn and gain the knowledge of new ways to do things if this person is realy meaning what he is said to have said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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