Vince Paske Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Hi Everyone, We want to set up my workstation with a VM (virtual machine) to run Vista 64 bit and Max 9 64 bit, while keeping XP 32 for all the obvious reasons. Has anyone out there tried Max 9 64 bit on Vista 64 bit? I noticed on Autodesk's site they do not list Vista as a required OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Why Vista? And why a VM? You'd be an early adopter of Vista, with all the issues you get from that, and Max9-64 runs fine on XP64. And VMs are slow... this is for what, VMWare? It's slow, it's splits your system memory, it can't access memory the host OS can't access (so you can't go above 4GB with this method), you don't get your full video card acceleration... and all this impacts Vista and Max, which both want 3D acceleration and a lot of RAM. Is there a really good reason to set it up this way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Paske Posted January 2, 2007 Author Share Posted January 2, 2007 Andrew, This is why I am asking. Your questions are concerns I have thought of too, but I wanted to hear actual experiences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 I don't know much about Vista, but Max on a VM would suck. Hard. Why not just run it in XP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew1 Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Is there actual difference of runing max on a xp 64 instead of just xp 32 bit, I mean is there a difference in speed of for example viewports or how it handles mesh, or the adventage lays in the larger amount of memory management. Is it worth it of switching to 64 bit system regarding the so called advantage, and what would I notice the most as an improvement ? Thanks Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Paske Posted January 2, 2007 Author Share Posted January 2, 2007 I don't know much about Vista, but Max on a VM would suck. Hard. Why not just run it in XP? Wow, thats really negative and not very constructive. I hope other people who are new to the forums aren't intimidated. I found out that you can actually assign the amount of memory you want to either OS, so long as its enough to run it. Until someone does tests with high-end video cards on Vista and Max, I'm reserving judgement. Who knows...maybe with a DX 10 card 3dsMax 9 will fly on Vista. Be nice Mr. Forum Moderator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Paske Posted January 2, 2007 Author Share Posted January 2, 2007 Is there actual difference of runing max on a xp 64 instead of just xp 32 bit, I mean is there a difference in speed of for example viewports or how it handles mesh, or the adventage lays in the larger amount of memory management. Is it worth it of switching to 64 bit system regarding the so called advantage, and what would I notice the most as an improvement ? Thanks Andrew 64-bit's primary benefit for me is the larger memory footprint. I'm sometimes asked to do visualization for aviation projects where large terrain models are necessary and the memory requirements are very large. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtutaj Posted January 2, 2007 Share Posted January 2, 2007 Just installed Vista Ultimate 32-bit on a Cad test station, hoping to install vista-business 64-bit with max9 64-bit sometime next week and perform some test. So far, its pretty zippy, Should know more in a few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ihabkal Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 max 64 did not run at all on vista 64 here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted March 23, 2007 Share Posted March 23, 2007 Vista is currently unsupported, or so I've been told. I haven't tried it myself. But I'm impressed with how difficult it is to get a PC without Vista now - a colleague was looking for one the other day and between us all we could come up with was Dell refurbs and Optiplex boxes - with really limited selection of components like video cards. (One more good reason to build your own.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffc Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 Vista is currently unsupported, or so I've been told. I haven't tried it myself. But I'm impressed with how difficult it is to get a PC without Vista now - a colleague was looking for one the other day and between us all we could come up with was Dell refurbs and Optiplex boxes - with really limited selection of components like video cards. (One more good reason to build your own.) Ive ordered a few dell machines this last week. When you click "small business", it gives you a menu on the left hand side to begin narrowing down your search from their many configs. --first selection I hit: Windows XP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmpreston Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 I'm just bringing up a new Dell E521 with an duel core Athlon 64 and 4GB RAM. The Max 9 sp1 UI is failing by turning all black with a mouse click. I have a nVidia Gforce 7300 in it with 256 MB. For my CG work this is probably enough and should be better than my 3.2 GHz Pentium D with 2 GB RAM. It came with Vista 32 and Dell won't ship or upgrade to Vista 64. Dell doesn't tell you that your 64 bit computer won't have a 64 bit O/S during the purchase process. Lots of folks are pissed and I dumped on some poor Dell account manager who accidentally called me today :-) The MS download site won't accept the OEM Dell license. Everyone hates us. My Adobe DCC programs such as Dreamweaver and Flash are working fine in this environment. Aging but simple little utilities are also doing fine on Vista. Only Max is unusable and no responses yet to my post on the Autodesk forums. Well, that isn't quite right. I mostly use Firefox and when I told IE 7 that it can't be my default browser it crashed and won't boot again. Rather sensitive. You'll find many threads on duel booting with XP and Vista. I'm thinking of installing XP 64 to run Max and keep Vista for everything else on this new computer. Sure, there is a learning curve with Vista but it really is a nice O/S. OK, just try and find the trusty old Start/Run! There is a strange issue with the new Dell's and RAM. I only show about 3.3 GB and per some thread out there the issue is that Dell is mapping out the rest for some arcane reason. I dumped on the Dell guy about that also and he said he would look into both issues. I see no reason why he would ever want to make a cold call to me again :-) - jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedesco Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 I´m just posting from Vista 64 and I was trying to make max 9 work. Really it has been a pain in the ass to make it work, but I think mostly is because i´m not used to vista. I installed max 8 and got a lot of issues, only then I found out that even been log as administrator I had to right click and "run as administrator" to get a good intalation process. I read that the productivity booster released from Autodesk will cover some max 9 issues in Vista 64. I´m also waiting for better news to upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmpreston Posted April 26, 2007 Share Posted April 26, 2007 Left click on the 3ds max desktop icon and choose Properties / Compatibility tab and check Disable desktop composition in the Settings section. I'm also running this program as an administrator in that tab. I guess in desperation you could run it in XP mode from that tab also. - jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csirison Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 Vista x64: Max9 x64 with Extensioin Rev3 works fine only VrayRC3 x64 doesn't allow you to install correctly by default. XP x64: Everything work fine. Macpro Xeon-5365 5G ram ATI X1900 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmpreston Posted June 26, 2007 Share Posted June 26, 2007 Thanks for the information. I'll install Vista Biz 64 bit over the 32 bit version and hope my Adobe apps work! - jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csirison Posted June 27, 2007 Share Posted June 27, 2007 Adobe works fine on my vista 64... make sure you update adobe pro to 8.1 otherwise you cant print PDF file on Atutocad 2008. Alaso some licenses file may store in c:/program (x86) wich you need to move to c:/program folder.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisenberger Posted January 10, 2009 Share Posted January 10, 2009 (edited) Found this on Hindsight is 20/20: http://hindsight.is2020.com/?p=15 We just went to all 64-bit machines for our render farm. Since we’re not really Linux savvy, we’re using Windows Vista 64. Anyone reading this who has experience with Vista is probably saying “Uh oh!”. First issue: For some reason, half the software we use (ie Max’s service pack 2 and Backburner 2007 sp2) won’t install on Vista unless you are logged in as Administrator. Not “an administrator” but the actual user named Administrator. Why? Not sure. Just doesn’t complete with any other user. Second issue: The render farm wouldn’t fire up for some reason. Backburner ran fine, and the servers found the manager okay, but when the servers tried to run Max to render something, we got an error “The application failed to start” or something like that. It turns out, first off, that in order for the render farm to work with Vista, EACH render box has to be logged in with the Administrator user. Even after doing this, though, I kept having errors. These included the one mentioned above, and a .dll that failed to initialize, and “adlmpx.exe has stopped working”. Fortunately, I was able to fix this with a complete uninstall and reinstall of Max, then the SP2 for Max, then the latest version of Backburner (2007.2 as of this writing). After doing all of this as the Administrator, and running the server, it seems to be working fine. So, the FIX: 1. Use Administrator, even if it makes you uncomfortable to be just throwing that login around on a bunch of machines. 2. If all else fails, re-install! Edited January 10, 2009 by bisenberger add link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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