Josh1587140445 Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Here is the latest project. Please feel free to make comments on the lighting setup or camera. I am currently in the process of texturing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nisus Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Hi Josh, I'll just comment on the camera setup. some comments on your image: - the part of the building to the right hand side is cropped exactly in the middle. To get a better effect either show more or less from this facade. (I'd go for less, as the symmetry of the building will make the viewer add to the facade in his minds eye, so basicly none of the information is really left out) - in the centre part of the building (next to the round tower) are two modules with exactly the same windows. The rightmost colomn is very close to the corner of the front facade to the right (in image plane, not in reality). Don't add so many detail (corner and colomn) so close to each other in the picture plane, rather make the right facade overlap about one third of the window. This way you'll avoid two identical windows and the corner will stand out more. some more tips: - crop the foreground - add a more dynamic angle a small comment on the design: - imho the lowest level of the tower should be a little higher so the bottom of the ring does not level the bottom of the roof. rgds nisus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcahunak Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Some great coments you got there from nisus. I'd take them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted July 1, 2003 Share Posted July 1, 2003 Damn! What he said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh1587140445 Posted July 3, 2003 Author Share Posted July 3, 2003 Here is an update to the first image. Feel free to comment. Next step is adding some bushs along the base of the building. But I am still trying to determine the best way to go about this. Nisus - I know you are not thrilled with the camera angle. But it is what the boss likes. But it is a huge improvement from older renderings in terms of content. But I promise once I have the finished product. I will do a more dramatic angle just for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted July 3, 2003 Share Posted July 3, 2003 well, i dissagree with most of nisus's comments i personally think the camera angle is fine and the construction details are fine. now you need to work on the materials and the lighting. keep us updated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kid Posted July 3, 2003 Share Posted July 3, 2003 I'd be inclined to give it more sky, and less grass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh1587140445 Posted July 3, 2003 Author Share Posted July 3, 2003 STRAT - What would you suggest for the lighting and materials. Because honestly this is my best work yet in terms of realism, when it comes to lighting and materials. I know, the grass sucks. I will most likely fix that in post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted July 3, 2003 Share Posted July 3, 2003 well here is a grass material for you to composite in if you feel like it - http://www.nikclark.com/strat/grass01.jpg you may have to play with the contrasts. the other materials aren't that bad, they just look a little clean and flat. play with them in ps maybe to 'real' them up. also, search around for more better materials. there are 1000's available (and use a digi cam) as for lighting, what s/w you use? viz4? [ July 03, 2003, 12:17 PM: Message edited by: Jeff Mottle ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Nelson Posted July 3, 2003 Share Posted July 3, 2003 Hey Josh, I've been following the post for a while. Good modeling! What kind of scene are you going for? Early morning/ sunset? My first impression was that the image is really dark and could use some more life to it. PLEASE, forgive me if this offends you or anyone else. I don't see too many people modifying other peoples posted images so I don't know if its considered "rude" or not. But out of curiosity I just wanted to see what would happen by playing with the light & saturation values. I only offer this because I have this problem, where I can stare at my images for hours and not see obvious things that would make it better. So this is maybe a fresh perspective for you. What do you think? Tim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted July 3, 2003 Share Posted July 3, 2003 Hi Josh Like Tim, i hope you dont take this the wrong way. if you do i'll erase my post. i was just experimenting to see how it could look - you have an excellent model and subject to work with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh1587140445 Posted July 3, 2003 Author Share Posted July 3, 2003 STRAT - I am using viz 4. I am using DelfoZ fakeosity ring technique. http://www.cgarchitect.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=33&t=000014#000010 upper ring Omni Shadow Map - On Multiplier - 0.45 Red - 158 Green - 179 Blue - 235 Middle ring Omni Shadow Map - On Multiplier - 0.15 Red - 196 Green - 113 Blue - 25 Lower ring Omni Shadow Map - Off Multiplier - 0.25 Red - 92 Green - 92 Blue - 92 Main Light Directional Ray Traced Shadows - On Multiplier - .95 Red - 255 Green - 235 Blue - 201 Timmatron - All images that have been posted have not gone thru any post production yet. I agree that it is a little dark. But I will adjust the brightness settings before I again. Also I am not offended that you did a little work on the image. But I find what you did a little washed out. It is starting to tip a little on the painted look. But thanks for the suggestions. KEEP THEM COMING!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kid Posted July 3, 2003 Share Posted July 3, 2003 with the sun as low in the sky as you have it now, the light should be much warmer. It's looking quite grey at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nisus Posted July 3, 2003 Share Posted July 3, 2003 Hi Josh, Nisus - I know you are not thrilled with the camera angle. But it is what the boss likes. I bet, you left out a composition with my tips for the boss to choose from... ;-ppp Héhé, I'm just surprised how people either love or hate these tips... I wonder why Ow... and for the fake ring... Damn all of you at CGA just copying techniques without thinking!!! NEVER use omni-lights in a ring as you will add to many - what's it called anyway? - octrees or quadtrees. Use spotlights instead, which uses only one instead of six of these whatever-it's-called There is but ONE rule: RTFM lads! ;-pp rgds nisus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted July 4, 2003 Share Posted July 4, 2003 Originally posted by nisus: Hi Josh, Ow... and for the fake ring... Damn all of you at CGA just copying techniques without thinking!!! NEVER use omni-lights in a ring as you will add to many - what's it called anyway? - octrees or quadtrees. Use spotlights instead, which uses only one instead of six of these whatever-it's-called There is but ONE rule: RTFM lads! ;-pp rgds nisus Actually, you should use Direct Lights. better than spots in a ring and give more control to soft shadowing. and even less of these are needed than normal spots, due to the targeted nature of the lights. sorry nisus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelfoZ Posted July 4, 2003 Share Posted July 4, 2003 "never say never" ***read my last Post in this topic... http://www.cgarchitect.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=000257 if u dont have too much time . use Fake.. if u have time, use Vray, brazil or Final render, radiosity etc etc.. allways better. . . WIP&FakeGI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh1587140445 Posted July 7, 2003 Author Share Posted July 7, 2003 DelfoZ - I have downloaded and installed Vray Free. But I have not had to much time to play with it. But what I got from your last post is that I should turn off my ring lights, but keep the directional? And then use Vrays global illumination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh1587140445 Posted July 7, 2003 Author Share Posted July 7, 2003 Well here is another update. Lighting and stuff has not changed. I had no time to do it since the client was taking a look at it today. So here it is after some post work in Paint Shop Pro 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nichchris Posted July 7, 2003 Share Posted July 7, 2003 Hey that is really comming along nicely! the grass looks good (did you go to a golf course to get that pic of that much grass? but I prefer your origianl clouds. would it be possible to get some shadows in the front somehow with the use of trees or something like that. I think you need something in the foreground. Just to quote one of those basic rules that seem to apply everywhere , in art , photography, cg.. whatever: "Foreground , middleground, and background".. always 'try' to get something in at all these 3 main visual depths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
id_ivan Posted July 9, 2003 Share Posted July 9, 2003 You have totally different blue from your sky to your lights. distract my eyes :angecool: regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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