stylEmon Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 hello, here is a trail i am doing for a retail project. not the most exciting thing, but its something different anyone have any suggestions on how to get rid of the random bright spots on the rendering? they show up in a different place in each render. I think it may have something to do with and empty UV channel...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest nazcaLine Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 i dont see bright spots. looks good. only crit would be that some vegetation's illumination doesn't match the overall lighting. but i guess that's because you're using rpc, anyway Eduardo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted March 28, 2007 Share Posted March 28, 2007 You might want to have that woman wear something less revealing. By the way, is your avatar a Wankel rotor? Meaning the Wankel Rotary car engine (still used by Mazda)?. If not, what is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stylEmon Posted March 28, 2007 Author Share Posted March 28, 2007 hey guys, thanks for the comments. look at the first image, there are wierd artifacts that just appeared!! I wish i could have used my new XFrog veggitation for this project, but I only had 2 days to work on this, no render farm, and came in on saturday to finish. Hey Ernest, I hear comments like that You might want to have that woman wear something less revealing. on this board all the time. not sure why?!? I needed people who looked 'out-doorsy' and she fit the bill. My boss actually reccomended her. I guess here in the desert we are used to seeing folks wear much less than that all year round, LOL Yes that is a wankel rotor. I am building a rotary motor for my rx-7. It is almost done. See http://www.87rx7.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAllusionisst Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 "on this board all the time. not sure why?!? I needed people who looked 'out-doorsy' and she fit the bill. My boss actually reccomended her. I guess here in the desert we are used to seeing folks wear much less than that all year round, LOL" I think you nailed it, I live in Seattle where it is overcast and rains a lot and whenever I am back in my home town in the summer it seems that the woman are much more alluring, it took a while to figure out it was probably because they were tan and scantily dressed! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 I hear comments like that on this board all the time. not sure why?!? hey guys That's why. Showing skin appeals to men mostly. Women are likely to either be un-interested, mildly offended or even feel competed against. Is that the idea, to make women uncomfortable when they see your picture? Outdoorsy is great, just put on a top that has straps perhaps. Why turn off people who would otherwise be pleased by your rendering? Perhaps one of our women board members would add her perspective--do we have any women around here? Of course I'm living my own stereotype, I'm all happy because I could identify a random car part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stylEmon Posted March 29, 2007 Author Share Posted March 29, 2007 Is that the idea, to make women uncomfortable when they see your picture? Outdoorsy is great, just put on a top that has straps perhaps. Why turn off people who would otherwise be pleased by your rendering? I guess I dont care if someone is offended by that girl in the image. She fits the environment and if someone is gonna find things like that to complain about, I just aint interested. The last time I posted an image that got the comment, i could see where they were coming from because the girls where going to an upscale shopping center and they were dressed down quite a bit. Have any of you rendered condos or apts with a pool? you wouldnt put a dude in a suit by the pool, would you? Good catch on the rotor!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 She fits the environment and if someone is gonna find things like that to complain about, I just aint interested. She would fit it just as well with a more modest top. All I'm saying is that we need to be thinking about how the people we want to impress will respond to what we do. Art is for us, commercial illustration is for them. I'm not saying you've done anything wrong or even all that off-base, just that you should be interested if women would have a more positive reaction to the proposed project if you were to keep their interests in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stylEmon Posted March 29, 2007 Author Share Posted March 29, 2007 your right, this form of art is for the client, no doubt. Honestly tho, I'd be more offfended by the old man butt, on the left If there are ladies on the forum, I'd love to hear their take on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAllusionisst Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 I would say Ernest is the voice of reason here, my point was that if you were use to seeing it, there wasn't as much impact. However, as professionals we should probably think along the lines of 'Politically Correct'. If your illustration was used for a presentation to a jury for a short list for a potential client, chances are you wouldn't get chosen just for the alluring entourage, but it could be overlooked if it invoked negative emotions. Doesn't mean in every day life I think along those lines, but in the professional context I try to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bully712 Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 However, as professionals we should probably think along the lines of 'Politically Correct'. If your illustration was used for a presentation to a jury for a short list for a potential client, chances are you wouldn't get chosen just for the alluring entourage, wow.. are you serious? Tht's just plain nuts... There is nothing wrong with that girl that he used. What if he showed a guy wearing shorts? is that reveiling too much? In my opinion I think that's just crazy.. She looks fine. If you''re affended by that, then you have problems...so what is poltically corect? showing no skin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyca Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 you know what ? after 2 weeks raining here, the two last days where really nice sunshine days. so yesterday i was walking a bit in the streets, and you know what ? i saw lot of women wearing less than that, i can say this picture is peenuts compared to what i saw in reality. so guy... its maybe due to your culture and believes or religion, but here in Europe nobody, not even the most conservative would be shocked by the dress of that woman. to be honnest i would care of this kind of things only if my client is from an arabian country or from the USA. in this case i would respect their meaning even if don't understand it. so my advise is, always adapt your picture to your target Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stylEmon Posted March 29, 2007 Author Share Posted March 29, 2007 thanks for the comments. I find it hard to believe this is such a controversial issue. but i appreciate everyones opinion. The fact is, i taylor EVERY project I do, to the cleints I do it for. This is an out door trail, there are out door type people in it. Thats it. No woman here in AZ, working with majority male contractors and developers is gonna give this girls top a second thought ( other than, "i wonder where she bought that?") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Nelson Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Oh come on Ernest - It's Phoenix and it's hot! So a girl doesn't want tan lines on her shoulders. She is the first thing you look at in the rendering, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Plus I don't really think it's immodest, especially for that part of the country. You should see the things people wear! You're from California? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Oh come on Ernest - You're from California? Damn straight I am! I've got nothing against women showing skin, in fact its a major distraction in my life. Summertime, and the livin' easy. However, that's what I noticed and that's what we've been talking about. Not the rendering, not the design proposal. The figure. Over the years I've had very few client complaints about lighting, modeling or rendering. If a client is going to say anything more than 'I love it" its likely to be a comment on a figure. 'Why does that guy look so stiff?' 'What's up with that person, why's she dressed like that?' 'This was supposed to be a hip space, no kids'. 'I wanted a more active feel.' Like that. Clients and the public in general are hyper-sensitive to figures. So my advice to all of you is to not give them ammunition to shoot you with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stylEmon Posted March 29, 2007 Author Share Posted March 29, 2007 well, they loved it. thanks for your concearn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAllusionisst Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 wow.. are you serious? Tht's just plain nuts... There is nothing wrong with that girl that he used. What if he showed a guy wearing shorts? is that reveiling too much? In my opinion I think that's just crazy.. She looks fine. If you''re affended by that, then you have problems...so what is poltically corect? showing no skin? Personally not offended at all, I think there is a lot of over reacting on the thread due to people over reacting on what they think is someone else over reacting. Ernest, I thought, was just offering up a comment based on past experience not personal preference per say and when others thought he was perhaps over reacting, I thought putting the comment in context might show it as I thought it was intended. Really funny thinking I am a prude, about as far from it as possible, but I saw the value in what I thought was trying to be expressed. stylEmon, sorry it got way off topic, looking forward to seeing your next piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 well, they loved it. thanks for your concearn. I'm glad to hear that. I think the force of my remark was overestimated. It is a valuable thing to discuss, but in this case completely overshadowed the piece. I'm sorry about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Nelson Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 Oh, Nick. About the white spots, do you have reflective caustics turned on? That has given me spots like that before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stylEmon Posted March 29, 2007 Author Share Posted March 29, 2007 tim, no caustics. I notices an empty UV set warning when i opened the hypergraph tho. I think that is the problem. too lazy to track it down so i used the rubber stamp in PS!! LOL Ernest, I hear what you are saying, and it is hard to tell HOW someone is saying something when typing. I realize that it is an important topic, but in this case, i think it's been considered and has a valid purpose in the render. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B. Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 The focal point of this composition IS the upper body of the young lady, and many males will hardly see anything else. However, knowledge of a client’s proclivities can be a great sales tool. I once had a client that was a great friend with our rep., and they had a game with the renderings. The object was to hide a rat, cockroach, or alien or something weird in the illustration…and the client would try to find it. I doubt the client ever saw what the design was but had a lot of fun trying to find the joke….and this guy bought everything that was presented…with no revisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipjor Posted March 29, 2007 Share Posted March 29, 2007 her posture kinda makes it look like she's taking a DUI test... weird shadows on the wall bright white spot on trees above guys head??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron-cds Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 This seems like as good of a place as any for this new vray add. LOL. I got this today in the news.vismasters e-mail. Too much skin Ernest? ;) Please don't shoot the messenger. I believe Sir-Mix-A-Lot would NOT approve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stylEmon Posted March 30, 2007 Author Share Posted March 30, 2007 LOL, yall are awesome! that ad is right at home here!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAllusionisst Posted March 30, 2007 Share Posted March 30, 2007 Brilliant and light hearted way to conclude the conversation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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