ClaudeFerret Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 Anyone else looking forward to the Mapril newsletter from Next Limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 If nothing else, Maxwell users have a sense of humor. Up until now, the newsletters have been nothing but fluff. That could change though. You never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsf Posted April 3, 2007 Share Posted April 3, 2007 A sense of humor, and patience. Lots and lots of patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 And lots of spare cash so as not to get too bent out of shape funding a Spanish silliness. Are we expecting something special in May? I was just wondering if I should dust off my Maxwell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 I sprained my Maxwell in March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spacelord Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 No real surprise, as if they could stick to a date Looks like Next limit will lose some of its users to Fry, I for one will buy it when I can afford it. Those Fry Displacement images look awesome. Duncan H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 I agree, most of the information in the news letters is silly but I guess they had to do something since there hasn't been a core update in about a year. From what I've heard the next release is going to have some nice improvements especially in the network rendering area. If they don't increase the speed though I think they will loose a lot of ground to Fry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
u.biq Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 It's out, and i have one thing to do, just one, ladies and gentlemen : :D :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeFerret Posted April 4, 2007 Author Share Posted April 4, 2007 So there you go http://www2.nextlimit.com/newsletter/spring07/newsletter_spr07.html They decided on Spring newsletter instead of Mapril I took a look, and yes there are some good things, but I guarantee the release is months away. There's not that much info for a newsletter on a product that is supposedly done, and is just going through additional testing. They are yanking us again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adehus Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 They are yanking us again. You can bet on it. Another thing you can bet on- if it comes from Mverta, it's almost certainly untrue. He's doing a masterful job of smearing Fry, and it's because Fry's functionality (in beta!) is miles ahead of Maxwell. Since Maxwell can't compete on features, Mverta's trying to convince everyone that there's some huge gap in image quality. I don't see it, and I don't think it exists. Up to now, we had no way to know why Maxwell's development was so slow. Now, seeing how Fry got such a late start and still has so much more functionality than Maxwell already, it's clear that the NL guys are as incompetent as most suspected. Or, to summarize: Maxwell- talk big, deliver small (if at all). Fry- talk small (though openly), deliver BIG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Mverta, it's almost certainly untrue. He's doing a masterful job of smearing Fry In the newsletter?! I'll look at it whenever it arrives. But I'm going to buy Fry, so I'm not sure what the point is in putting any time into finding out what is up with Maxwell. Still, I have three or four licenses, I keep thinking I should be using it while I wait to get one license of Fry. But then I get back to thinking - "ick". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 In the newsletter?! No, no, no. In the forum. The newsletter is only for blowing sunshine up...er, I mean for being nice. According to Mike, the quality gap between Maxwell and fryrender is "cavernous" and it is obvious. I have to respectfully disagree with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adehus Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 In the newsletter?! No, there are several threads on the Maxwell forums about Fry and the newsletter, and Mike's having a field day bashing Fry in all of them. Someone sent me the links, and I couldn't help but look. BTW, and totally off topic- just stumbled upon a book my wife has called 'Entourage- A Tracing File for Architecture and Interior Design Drawing' by Ernest Burden. Is that your father? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 According to Mike, the quality gap between Maxwell and fryrender is "cavernous" and it is obvious. Has Mike had the opportunity to try Fry? To me, the quality gap goes in Fry's favor, but unlike you I haven't tried it yet, so I'm going by your judgment until I do. BTW, and totally off topic- just stumbled upon a book my wife has called 'Entourage- A Tracing File for Architecture and Interior Design Drawing' by Ernest Burden. Is that your father? The book is by my father with drawings he did, plus some digitally 'traced' (yuck) as well as my old boss Brian Burr, me and my sister Analisa. There was a heavily 'photo' second or third edition which goes the wrong way. I like the old one the best, it has the most drawings. Check out those 70's styles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adehus Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 The book is by my father with drawings he did, plus some digitally 'traced' (yuck) as well as my old boss Brian Burr, me and my sister Analisa. There was a heavily 'photo' second or third edition which goes the wrong way. I like the old one the best, it has the most drawings. Check out those 70's styles! Interesting! I think we have a later edition (published in '81, plenty of photos) but the people are still pretty 'groovy'. Wife still uses it on occasion... it's good for proportions, and she just massages the clothes and hairstyles on her tracings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeFerret Posted April 4, 2007 Author Share Posted April 4, 2007 I know everyone is aware of Next Limits broken promises, but I need to vent on the last round of deceptions. The first quarter release was delayed by mere days (their claim) because they wanted to test it further. Okay, we have heard this before, but maybe some of the new features really could use some extra testing. But then, the Spring newsletter comes out with the feature set of 1.2, including better memory management, HD and resume render. What the hell! Are you telling me these features have taken around a year to develop and they still need testing? Besides, every tester they are using would have been utilizing these particular features everyday. It's not like they have concern over the implementation of a displacement feature and want to make sure it doesn't break. We are talking about memory optimization, hard disk HD ability, and a resume render that we once had during the better looking Maxwell Beta. You know it as well as I do, that this 1.2 is no where near completion, and they are buying more time. Sorry, Next Limit just pisses me off so much. BTW, nice work Fran, and to the others who are making Fry look so good. I will be getting my copy soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
u.biq Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 Yeah You're right. And to see so tame people over there...it's fascinating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 I know everyone is aware of Next Limits broken promises, but I need to vent on the last round of deceptions. The first quarter release was delayed by mere days (their claim) because they wanted to test it further. Okay, we have heard this before, but maybe some of the new features really could use some extra testing. But then, the Spring newsletter comes out with the feature set of 1.2, including better memory management, HD and resume render. What the hell! Are you telling me these features have taken around a year to develop and they still need testing? Besides, every tester they are using would have been utilizing these particular features everyday. It's not like they have concern over the implementation of a displacement feature and want to make sure it doesn't break. We are talking about memory optimization, hard disk HD ability, and a resume render that we once had during the better looking Maxwell Beta. You know it as well as I do, that this 1.2 is no where near completion, and they are buying more time. Sorry, Next Limit just pisses me off so much. BTW, nice work Fran, and to the others who are making Fry look so good. I will be getting my copy soon. I'm quoting for agreement; it's ridiculous to think it took this long to iron out these small problems. I can't figure out what these guy's are doing, they have a competitor like Fry nipping at their heels and instead of actually trying to impress people we get the same old delay tactics. It's like there actually trying to fail, everything they do is wrong and it doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure that out. In fact they have been told exactly how to fix all this mess 100 times over and nothing sinks in. I'm hoping that the news letter only described a few of the 1.2 improvements and there just holding back announcing the really good stuff, but I think the chances of that being true are pretty remote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsf Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 Andrew, you are right about Mike working very hard to smear Fry. Mike is mistaken if he thinks it will work. He will only drive more people away. I lost all the love I had for Maxwell Render after Mike's infamous "moron/idiot" comment. In the end he did me a favor, I might still be using Maxwell and hoping against hope for some improvement, if he hadn't said that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeFerret Posted April 6, 2007 Author Share Posted April 6, 2007 Hey Fran, those interiors you did with Fry look amazing. Can you answer a few questions for me regarding those images. 1. On a scale of 1-10, 10 being best. How would those interior scenes score on the following questions of Fry vs Maxwell. Creating materials - Fry __, Maxwell __ Light setup - Fry __, Maxwell __ Render speed - Fry __, Maxwell __ I know this is general, especially regarding materials. I'm actually more interested in the work flow, and if it is quicker to produce materials and lighting in Fry or Maxwell. I didn't want to start a new thread, because I figured there was a good chance Fran would come across this anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 Hi Stephen, I can understand you're wanting to know how fryrender compares with MW on those points. But it is probably better to inquire on the fryrender forum (Technical Discussions). I don't want to ruffle any feathers here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
u.biq Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 Mapril is my favorite month too. I've been banned from the MWL forum without warning, like in the good old days Cheers to all, especially to all the lost maxwellian souls all around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 Mapril is my favorite month too. I've been banned from the MWL forum without warning, like in the good old days Cheers to all, especially to all the lost maxwellian souls all around Banned again, or still? I was asked back a month or so ago. I may respond, but they're going to have to re-instate Adam Tractenburg too, or I won't bother. He was banned at the same time and for the same perceived offense as me, so its a package deal. I also have not touched Maxwell since that banning moment. These days, a product without a forum to work with is not a professional product. These products are complicated, I'm not going to risk being out on my own under deadline without the lifeline of other users and company tech people there to answer questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_PopArt Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 Looks the the iceberg is getting pretty close Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 Looks the the iceberg is getting pretty close Its looked like that to me for more than a year, and by all accounts Maxwell is doing just fine. So what do I know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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