Devin Johnston Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 http://blog.novedge.com/2007/04/an_interview_wi.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 I didn't know they did interviews anymore. Oh, my, I've said too much already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 So, to all the Maxwellers here: If you could ask Victor Gonzalez an interview question, what would it be? (Being reasonable now - i.e., answerable questions.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted April 11, 2007 Author Share Posted April 11, 2007 My question would be how do you define "instant success" since the article states it as a fact we all must conclude that it's true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 You mean if NextLimit agreed to do an interview, then never did, then when asked in person when they would actually do it have one of the Oscar's point up toward his hotel room and say 'today'? Like that? I can't imagine what I would ask. Have they done any interviews with any arch-vis sites or magazines that anyone can identify, since they let v1 loose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
u.biq Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 What is funny is that he can't help trashing out Fry, if you read between lines... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
u.biq Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 On a side note, Ernest, I think you won't regret your investment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 On a side note, Ernest, I think you won't regret your investment Somehow I think things will work out for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 What is funny is that he can't help trashing out Fry, if you read between lines... Really? I don't see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_PopArt Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 What is funny is that he can't help trashing out Fry, if you read between lines... I got that feeling too. At least, it sounded pretty defensive to me the whole the first the best bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
u.biq Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 Really? I don't see that. oh...let me point it to you (one amongst others): "Reaching a fully interactive real-time technology will happen sooner or later, but we will not take shortcuts here. Trying to reach real-time very soon is a mistake, in our opinion" Victor Gonzalez Do you see it now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 oh...let me point it to you (one amongst others): "Reaching a fully interactive real-time technology will happen sooner or later, but we will not take shortcuts here. Trying to reach real-time very soon is a mistake, in our opinion" Victor Gonzalez Do you see it now? maybe he read this article... http://news.com.com/Intel+pledges+80+cores+in+five+years/2100-1006_3-6119618.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 maybe he read this article...80+cores+in+five+years Judging by the photo illustration, all they will do is sell us the whole CPU fab wafer instead of slicing it up. That's pretty funny. What u.big is referring to is that there is talk of FryRender offering a baking function that would be the basis of a real-time lighting system. I've never seen this demonstrated so I don't know more about it than that. But it looks like NextLimit is saying that such a system is both inevitable and foolish to try now. Time will tell if the Fry people can pull it off, but it doesn't look like Victor's going to be competing if they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted April 12, 2007 Author Share Posted April 12, 2007 Maybe Victor is trying to say that Maxwell just isn't ready for a real time VR engine yet since we all know that the current engine that Maxwell uses is flawed. Fry has the advantage of building on what NL has already done so it makes since that they have been able to create their engine in less time and with fewer bugs since NL has already done the hard work. We may have to wait until the RS2 engine has been developed before we see a real time option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adehus Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 I guess my impression of it was that it was all fluff- the questions were largely silly and mostly irrelevant and the answers were unsurprisingly vague and lacking in new content. A+ for recycling, though. Just like every piece of PR from NL. Can't wait for the next NL newsletter... I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for the profile of their janitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 it was all fluff- the questions were largely silly and mostly irrelevant and the answers were unsurprisingly vague I'm obviously hinting at something. Right when v1 was released and the animosity was at its thickest, I came up with an idea to re-build some bridges between NL and the arch-vis community. I wrote an interview that was presented to them by a third party (they didn't know it was me that wrote it). They agreed to do the interview, but never did. When I met them in Boston last summer I asked about it, they still couldn't be honest with me. The questions were fair but direct, the goal was to provide a forum for seeing where things had gone off-track and how NL would correct them. The focus was on the arch-vis users in particular. I've not made a point of this before because it becomes just another criticism of them, and the goal was to heal divisions. Posting this does not do that. But neither does deciding that it wasn't worth their time to follow through on something they had agreed to. You can try to turn a conflict into an opportunity for better understanding on both sides, but it takes both sides. I've done everything I can think of already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted April 12, 2007 Author Share Posted April 12, 2007 Ernest, can you post the questions I'd like to know what they were afraid of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 Ernest, can you post the questions I'd like to know what they were afraid of. And now you know what I was afraid of. I don't think that would be productive, tempting as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 Maybe Victor is trying to say that Maxwell just isn't ready for a real time VR engine yet since we all know that the current engine that Maxwell uses is flawed. Fry has the advantage of building on what NL has already done so it makes since that they have been able to create their engine in less time and with fewer bugs since NL has already done the hard work. We may have to wait until the RS2 engine has been developed before we see a real time option. Fryrender is not built on anything NL has already done. Unless you consider the concept of a production spectral raytracer as someone else's intellectual property. If fryrender is being developed faster and with fewer bugs, it is not due to anything done by NL. It is due to an efficient and extensible architecture. The fryrender VR engine (Random Control v4) already existed prior to fryrender, and fryrender was developed specifically for RC4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted April 12, 2007 Author Share Posted April 12, 2007 Fran, it was my understanding that several of the people that work on the Fry engine were old employees of Next Limit, is that not true? Ernest I understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 Fran, it was my understanding that several of the people that work on the Fry engine were old employees of Next Limit, is that not true? Yes. That is not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adehus Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 Right when v1 was released and the animosity was at its thickest, I came up with an idea to re-build some bridges between NL and the arch-vis community... You certainly get full credit for that in my book. I do realize that you were trying your best to be even-handed and almost mind-blowingly (to me!) rational about the situation. As you suggested, it's just a shame that they weren't willing to see things your way. I think they're suffering the consequences of it, too. Edit: Ernest, not sure what you meant by 'hinting at something'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted April 12, 2007 Author Share Posted April 12, 2007 Yes. That is not true. Ok, I probably read that on a post somewhere on the Maxwell forum. I still don't understand how Fry seems to have overcome almost every problem facing the Maxwell engine so quickly. Maxwell was in development for years before they decided to go with the pre-release program and as you know there still trying to get a V1 out. Has Fry been in development as long as Maxwell, if not they must have much more talented individuals working there than NL does? Is it out of the realm of possibilities that they used Maxwell as a go by before they started creating Fry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 You certainly get full credit for that in my book. Really that's all we gain by my saying this stuff--I get points. But I'm just frustrated seeing an interview when...well, you know. what you meant by 'hinting at something'. Just my first posts in this thread, I sarcastically hint at what I just revealed. I figured either say it or don't, I was taking the coward's middle ground. It's just software. But whatever you want think of Fry, dealing with them has never given me a knot in my stomach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
u.biq Posted April 12, 2007 Share Posted April 12, 2007 Devin, for being "in the place", i can tell you that is a balance between talent, frame of mind, and a *huge* amount of work, as usual in fact... And don't forget NL has shut their mouth regarding a theft or whatever else. Don't doubt they would have shout it out loud if there has been even a tiny piece of truth in that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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