Brian Smith Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 Some interesting news for those watching the HD war. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=836632&page=1&pp=30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 So now we have the Wal-Mart factor. I guess the only thing left is to see what Apple does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 So now we have the Wal-Mart factor. WalMart is probably now to many products what McDonald's is to any food type they sell. The quality of American beef is exactly at the level that McD requires. They set the standard by being the biggest single buyer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 That's certainly true. E.g., we can thank Wal-Mart for much of the decline in apparel quality over the last decade. They have the power to set the prices they buy at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Smith Posted April 20, 2007 Author Share Posted April 20, 2007 That's certainly true. E.g., we can thank Wal-Mart for much of the decline in apparel quality over the last decade. They have the power to set the prices they buy at. i'd say it's thanks to capitalism and human nature. as the saying goes, nature hates a vacuum and if wal-mart hadn't come along, someone else would have eventually doing the same thing. after all, had it not been for the hd-war, we'd have a one format monopoly set in stone and we'd be paying much more for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted April 20, 2007 Share Posted April 20, 2007 Is this a war between BlueRay and something else--possibly another blue laser for higher density? Does somebody get to rename another country based on the outcome? We're all putting a lot of money and time into things of impossible complexity that won't outlast a newspaper left in your attic. A friend is rendering a project in a part of Brooklyn that I had done a picture for many years ago. So I figured I'd go find my old 3D file and see if there was anything useful I had built. For some reason it never made it onto the burned CD or the DVD backup of all those old files when I took them off buggy ZIP discs. No problem, I found the old 1.44 floppy from 1994. But none of my computers will read the disc. There is one other possible location for the file--a JAZ disc. I'm not even sure where the old SCSI JAZ drive is, so I give up. I re-built the stuff for my friend. The old one probably wasn't very good, but it would be nice if data storage weren't so volatile. Sure, I should have gotten it onto the DVD backup. Except looking for a two year old file on a DVD backup to alter an old project meant having two computers unable to read it (including the one which wrote it) until one did. So more storage means bigger and bigger files to lose quicker than the new car becomes 'gently used'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Smith Posted April 20, 2007 Author Share Posted April 20, 2007 So more storage means bigger and bigger files to lose quicker than the new car becomes 'gently used'. Well personally i couldnt care less about hd dvd or bluray for storage purposes...i just want my clients to be watching hd animations and what ever format will make that easiest and whatever developments will make that happen faster i'm all for it. i'm just tired of knowing that everytime they watch one of my animations they could instead be seeing it in hd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afterglow Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 man, some of the posts in that linked thread make out that the walmart order is going to decide the format winner... do they not realise the rest of the world doesn't have walmart?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 man, some of the posts in that linked thread make out that the walmart order is going to decide the format winner... do they not realise the rest of the world doesn't have walmart?? The point is that McDonald's decides the quality of American, and probably much of the rest of the world's, beef quality. So that's what is available, whether you're eating at McDonalds or not. WalMart is the top retailer on Earth, so it may be a case that if they decide to go with format A then the rest of will have to also because that's all that will be available. Its about mass production more than the quality of the product. Is this going to happen to our industry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Smith Posted April 21, 2007 Author Share Posted April 21, 2007 Its about mass production more than the quality of the product. Is this going to happen to our industry? Great question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandmanNinja Posted April 21, 2007 Share Posted April 21, 2007 The point is that McDonald's decides the quality of American, and probably much of the rest of the world's, beef quality I heard Australia exports beef overseas for McDonalds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikinman Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 Its about mass production more than the quality of the product. Is this going to happen to our industry? Yes. This has been another edition of simple answers to simple questions. More on topic, it is too soon to make a format judgment regarding data storage for the high definition DVD standard. Walmart's supposed entry is more about the video standard, not data storage. And remember that Sony lost the VHS/Beta war a generation ago, but Beta still became the professional standard. The DVD burner on my machine still records in 6 formats (+/-R, +/-RW, etc) As far as impact on our profession's video presentation, there are almost no production houses that produce High Definition titles on spec. The primary way to present High Def on disc right now is to use a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD burner (the same way one burns home movies to a DVD on one's own machine.) The problem with that (like the plain old DVD burner on your machine) is that Blu-Ray and HD-DVD players don't all play them - the first generation machines can't even read home-burned discs. The proper way to create a DVD (including HD) is to have a production house author them, and right now the main players in HD, especially Sony, want to control content, and are not allowing independent producers to author titles. What may ultimately decide this, just like the VCR wars a generation ago, is porn. And right now HD-DVD looks like it may win on that point, because the Toshiba group behind HD-DVD is looking the other way while the big LA porn houses start authoring professional high def disks. These houses have been stockpiling hi-def footage for years, waiting for a format winner, and right now Sony is refusing to let Vivid and other houses author porn discs to Blu-Ray. It seems that Sony is not going to learn their lesson from the '70s. Of course they may be more worried about the political fallout from a raft of Blu-Ray porn titles (there was political fallout from VHS porn titles as well), but, as the Walmart example shows, one ignores the marketplace at one's own peril. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 This has been another edition of simple answers to simple questions. I'll pitch 'em low and easy over the plate, you knock 'em over the rightfield fence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afterglow Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 does anyone think it's possible both formats will have a similar fate to SACD and dvd-audio, ie, neither getting adopted by the general public as a standard? just wondering because i think the general public still don't necessarily understand the differnce between standard and high-def, or storage capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 SACD and dvd-audio...the general public still don't necessarily understand the differnce between standard and high-def, or storage capacity. The general public was not interested in higher-quality audio. They chose the lower quality MP3 format instead. Unfortunately this keeps the cost of being even an entry-level audiophile high, but what can you do? Most people thing McBurgers are pretty good. The general public does seem willing to favor, even pay a lot more for, higher resolution video. I don't know if they will truly favor higher quality. Sure, a bigger screen, more scan lines. But if you're just enlarging the MPEG artifacts its just bigger, not necessarily much better. Do the BR or HD DVD formats improve bit depths, for example? I don't even know what the color gamut of regular DVDs would be. It could be like getting a stereo that plays louder. It goes to 11, so that's better, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Paske Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 does anyone think it's possible both formats will have a similar fate to SACD and dvd-audio, ie, neither getting adopted by the general public as a standard? just wondering because i think the general public still don't necessarily understand the differnce between standard and high-def, or storage capacity. Good question. The quality of the picture from an upconverted dvd has fooled a few of my friends into thinking they were watching my x-box hd-dvd drive. I think the general public doesn't care - they just want cheap media and lot's of it (along with cheap players). Similiar to the fate of what is happening to music, the future of video based media is downloads to your home media server. I personally like have a "physical" copy of a movie, or a music cd, but I'm sort of old-school comapared to the generation behind me. I still have a vinyl collection, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raterry Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 It'll all be decided when The Discovery Channel decides which format to put it's "Planet Earth" series on. Wherever it goes, I'm goin' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Smith Posted April 23, 2007 Author Share Posted April 23, 2007 It'll all be decided when The Discovery Channel decides which format to put it's "Planet Earth" series on. Wherever it goes, I'm goin' don't mean to kill your prognostic skills, but i don't think you're right http://www.amazon.com/Planet-Earth-Complete-BBC-DVD/dp/B000MRAAJW/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2/104-8442946-5724742?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1177346558&sr=8-2 http://www.amazon.com/Planet-Earth-Complete-BBC-Blu-ray/dp/B000MRAAJM/ref=pd_bbs_4/104-8442946-5724742?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1177346558&sr=8-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted April 23, 2007 Share Posted April 23, 2007 It's a tie! The consumer wins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 blockbuster throws itself into the blueray corner. although i think they may not be that influential in the battle. i think netflix is offering, or planning to offer both. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19289649/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 Netflix does offer both, and it's nice and seamless - you check a box in the preferences for "I have Blu Ray" or "I have HDDVD" and if the disc is available, they send it to you, otherwise they send a DVD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exellite Posted June 18, 2007 Share Posted June 18, 2007 when the prices come down just get a combi unit and let the companies argue among themselves, thats what I'm gonna do. Ah planet earth, great series, good to see you lot are getting to see this series, it was aired in UK ages ago on BBC 1, has Blue Planet made it there yet? It came out before planet earth I think but was still very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afterglow Posted June 20, 2007 Share Posted June 20, 2007 saw a couple of eps of planet earth on bluray.. un-freakin-believable. but even on sd it's still amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Smith Posted June 20, 2007 Author Share Posted June 20, 2007 just got the ultimate matrix collection in hd-dvd...it was like watching it for the first time...unreal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mskin Posted June 21, 2007 Share Posted June 21, 2007 i hope the chinese do better with blue ray than they did with the dog food and toothpaste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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