nisus Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Hi all, We recently finished the following presentation. What do you think of it? Any tips to make the images appear better? rgds & tnx To see the complete project on our webpage, pls visit Housing Project 'Scheldepunt' nisus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 very nice nisus but yes, i got a tip - COME INTO OUR CENTURY AND UPDATE FROM REL3.1!!!! Those images are crying out for gi and real world lighting. they just lack any depth or shadow contrasting. i'm suprised a proffesional firm like yours is still on R3.1. i know it's not the software but the artist that makes a good picture, but why not make life a hell of allot easier on urselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nisus Posted November 3, 2003 Author Share Posted November 3, 2003 Tnx strat! That's a real eye-opener The answer to your question is rather simple: money (or the lack of it)... Any other tips or critics? rgds nisus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 start working the streets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Ramsay Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 I disagree Strat, there are a lot of lighting techniques that will look just as good as GI in Max 3... I have max 6 but I actually try and avoid ising radiosity or GI now because everybodys renders are starting to look the same. I much prefer to look at an image that has good "fake" lighting than a scene with a few lights put in and GI turned on IMHO of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jucaro Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Very nice indeed. It has a nice classic air brush technique feel. some minor critic. I would like to get rid of the jetstream(?) on the first picture thats above the building. Or at least decrease its opacity. It looks like a bent radio antenna. Well, thats it in addition to Strat's advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nisus Posted November 3, 2003 Author Share Posted November 3, 2003 It has a nice classic air brush technique feel. Probably because the foliage, trees and grass were handpainted... The jetstream... yeah... less would have been better... I only tried to remove it to find the image a lot less dynamic, so I kept it the way it was. Anyway, tnx for the crits lads. More? rgds nisus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 I love the contrails. Overall cloud placement could be improved with an eye to the balance of the pictures. Faked lighting is fine, but these pictures do look too flat without the style of flat. If you are going to bow to a master, then study the master of tempra renderings, Richard Baehr. This guy bills twice what anyone else I know does. I do not mean this as a harsh crit of your work, just that when you add a stylistic flair to your work its important to get the details right, and the feeling consistent throughout the picture. Look at the bottom half of the interior with the plant shadows on the furniture, then look at the top half. They are two different feels. I'm often on the wrong side of my own advice, I'm talking goals here. It's much easier to pick apart good pictures than bad ones (where to begin?) so this is good work to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ciberarte Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 They are clasics but the are well done . I think the critic is´nt in the render, it´s the people, they look like pasted with glue and the lack of relation between the sky and the building, maybe some photoshop work could help. The vegetations it´s very nice by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcahunak Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Agree with Strat. Agree with Ernest - looking at the building part, and the rest of the image part, looks like two different pictures. BTW: in the image with the stroler - check the shadow direction of the ppl's shadow. Its somewhat different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmoron13 Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 nisus, WHEN ARE YOU GONNA WRITE A TUTORIAL FOR THOSE AWESOME PHOTOSHOPED TREES?!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuno Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 what can i say more in addition? i wonder if 3.1 does support gi...! with that superb foliage and trees, your renderings would just look amazing. it is still very noticeable the discrepancy of your talent handpainted technic and the limitations of your 3d software. anyway, congrats for your lovely work, nuno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard McCarthy Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 From the picture, i must say you have achieve perfection at rendering using MAX 3.1...it has a noir-esque feel to it, I really like it..that last image really got me, it feels so paintery...like a 40's painting by some american artist (Jasper Johns?? ) BUT.. I must agree with Strat, it's time for you to upgrade to GI Stop working off street LOL.. get a GI renderer.. anything GI.. EVEN trueSpace HAS GI LOL (and they are selling them for $199 USD! right now!! www.caligari.com) or atleast get VRAY FREE for try ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Denby Posted November 4, 2003 Share Posted November 4, 2003 I'll only comment on the exteriors. Well, for me, the strongest element is the sky, dramatic without overpowering the building, adding to the overall images rather than distracting. One of the weakest elements are the trees and foliage, (contrary to most views). It's great that they are hand painted, but they look out of place with the rest of the image. Overall, the images look a little grey too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nisus Posted November 4, 2003 Author Share Posted November 4, 2003 Hi all, Tnx a lot for the comments and especially the crits. Personally I like both sides of critics: pro or contra hand painted trees, pro or contra sky and clouds,... To clear out a bit, the bottom two images (interiors) were done by Leen, a girl who's working at our firm and was trained in only 6 months from a very basic knowledge of 3d to the skills you have seen. Decissions about camera view, and final retouches have been done by myself, the interior design she did by herself. Ernest, tnx for the clearup about the different atmospheres. Ciberarte, people were added very quick so I did not have the time to repaint the initial lighting, nor pay too much attention to the shadow. (I don't like to have people in renderings personally...) Ow, tnx for the sky/reflection discrepancy Nuno, I'm glad you mention the discrepancy between handpainted and rendered. Few people have told me, many more just liked it. Personally, I have a long way to go for a smooth integration. This has been an issue ever since I started painting trees by hand. Honestly, I'm still searching a way to integrate them in a better way... Can't seem to crack it right now, but I will one day... Big, strat, others... yes GI... I know... *horrible me* to all, It's great to see you guys back after such horrible months. I'm really flattered by the many reactions/posts you have all made. Tnx a lot. Really. For people interested in the handpainted 'style', I recommend you visit this link - Image Details - where you can see details at 100% of our images. This latest image we've made had a tremendous amount of different trees in it, so I was forced to make at least three decent new photoshop-brushes and paint some bark/texture in close-up... What do you think of the result? What tips do you have on painting trees/green? rgds nisus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted November 4, 2003 Share Posted November 4, 2003 would it be too much to ask for you to possibly share your custom made photoshop brushes with us may be? i too would like to start drawing folliage like you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted November 4, 2003 Share Posted November 4, 2003 What tips do you have on painting trees/green?Diferenciate fore, middle, back with variations of color and/or detail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kid Posted November 4, 2003 Share Posted November 4, 2003 What tips do you have on painting trees/green? This thread may prove to be helpful reading (yeah, read the words to - http://www.wetcanvas.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=115196 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted November 4, 2003 Share Posted November 4, 2003 This thread may prove to be helpful reading (yeah, read the words to - Oh, hell! Another great forum to read. Curse you, Kid, curse you! Thank you , Kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kid Posted November 4, 2003 Share Posted November 4, 2003 Originally posted by Ernest Burden: quote:This thread may prove to be helpful reading (yeah, read the words to - Oh, hell! Another great forum to read. Curse you, Kid, curse you! Thank you , Kid. Yeah, it's beauty. I've been addicted to it for about 7-8 months now :winkgrin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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