njon Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 How may perecent people use MR in the arch industry? I mean not just learning but actually using for real projects? With vray being around that is. I am focussing on learning it hence the question. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manta Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 Its impossible to say, but if I had to guess and that's all it is, I would say less than 10%, I think that number will start to increase now that they have made it more user friendly and revamped their licencing policies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mskin Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 Manta, Do you think so? maybe the majority of architectural illustrators not working for architectural firms are using VRAy, but i would imagine more of us working for medium - small firms are using MR (more meaning >10%, not the majority). I mean its relatively easy to learn, getting easier to use, and ships free with 3d max. I convinced my boss to buy max, i didn't push my luck with all the other stuff right off the bat. i became relatively comfortable and satisfied with MR. It works very well for me and i imagine others have had similar experiences. im not sure why i would convert to VRAY at this point.... whats the price point now? i would prefer to convince my boss to spend 1000 on something else. I have seen some things with VRAY that make me envious (use of proxies), but still, if im looking to improve my renders for 1000, vray is not currently what im going to spend it on - i need better hardware, better add-ons, etc.... am i wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Hunt Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 I am seeing more and more MR stuff around, and some very good stuff as well. There are some that are supparsing Vray. MR has a long way to go before it makes any seroius impact into the Vray market, but its getting there. As to learning you cant go wrong. Simply the more you learn the better you will be in the long term. and that goes for all softwear. JHV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njon Posted June 16, 2007 Author Share Posted June 16, 2007 Thanks Manta, mskin and Justin! mskin: Manta, Do you think so? maybe the majority of architectural illustrators not working for architectural firms are using VRAy, but i would imagine more of us working for medium - small firms are using MR (more meaning >10%, not the majority). I mean its relatively easy to learn, getting easier to use, and ships free with 3d max. More than 10%? Well, maybe for exteriors using FinalGather, but what about interiors? What I mean is for eg. 1.For a living room interior view, would vray and mr take the similar time to set up and render, and have same render quality? 2.I talked to some people (arch vis) about materials, they use vray readymade material collection. 3.Would it happen that newer versions of max/mr release more and easier shaders? Sorry if thats too many questions. Thanks in adv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manta Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 I think there is alot more competition out there than just Vray, Brazil just came out with a new version, after a long wait, then there's Fryrender which is looking very promising, and then all the others, Finalrender, Maxwell, Lightscape and more...those are just the Max choices, then you have the people using C4D, Lightwave, Modo and Maya... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
innerdream Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 My 2 cents as I'm pretty new to cg work. I see a lot of great Vray renders because a lot of people use it. I have seen excellent work in Vray, Mentalray, C4D, Maya, Maxwell, Fryrender, Modo etc., I have also seen bad work in all of them. I'm looking at Vray, C4D or Fryrender at the moment because of cost and quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffc Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 I went with vray a year ago because when I bought Max, the "easier" version of MR wasn't available, and (still to today) the huge amount of vray users existing provides a very generous support network; especially for someone that needs to get up and going quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAllusionisst Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 I would say that with as sweet as MR is these days, all an aspiring archvis artist needs is the base program Max/Viz and doesn't need to spend all the money on third party render engines. I really like the new MentalRay for outdoor scenes anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njon Posted June 16, 2007 Author Share Posted June 16, 2007 Hey allusionist, what about interiors? Is that effectively and easily do-able in mr? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAllusionisst Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 I don't really do interiors all that much since that isn't what I use archvis for, but Branko Jovanovic does a lot of interiors and uses Vray, but he has played around with MR and I believe he thought it had promise. http://www.3dallusions.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=236&Itemid=74&PHPSESSID=641f877cb7f91a5e68a66319ce8cb3d2 You have to realize that people who have invested in Vray, or other render engine, and use it in there daily workflow, aren't going to just switch unless they believe they will achieve higher quality and flexibility over their current package. I think that we will start to see more MR work as people new to the proffesion and just starting out, are forced to learn and use it as they are starting out, then they will be use to using it and may not switch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffc Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 Hey, the one thing that would get me to switch to MR, is if can net render easily with nodes, I guess using backburner. And I mean EASILY. Vray's DR just kills me, each time I try to implement it every few months. Always a material, or driver, or version issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Hunt Posted June 16, 2007 Share Posted June 16, 2007 check out this thread to see some excellent mr interiors. http://www.cgarchitect.com/vb/24070-mr-example-images-rendered-mr-max.html Also check out the tutorials that ship with max, they will give you a great start. For more mentalray specific questions and answers check out the mentalray forum here as well as http://www.mymentalray.com . there are forums for max, maya.xsi and stand alone. The mentalray community is getting stronger and there are many who are willing to share and help. JHV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mskin Posted June 17, 2007 Share Posted June 17, 2007 i use bacburner with MR.... good, easy, no problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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