Fryrender Demo?

[thickly]

Anyone out there know when this is supposed to be available? Its been on their site as "Coming Soon" for a while. I would love to give it a try since the latest M~R release was less then stellar.

[Tommy L]

Anyone out there know when this is supposed to be available? Its been on their site as "Coming Soon" for a while. I would love to give it a try since the latest M~R release was less then stellar.

 

The price goes up when the demo comes out. I bought a license whilst its Beta prices and havnt really looked into it properly yet. I ran a couple of tests tho, and it looks very good.

The killer was that its in euros. Im English, so im used to my pound helping me out. The american Dollar is one soft puppy!

[kippu]

The american Dollar is one soft puppy!

 

lol ..... good one

[Bubbaloo]

From what I've seen, the best Fry renderings I've seen are not as realistic as the best Maxwell renderings....

[Tommy L]

From what I've seen, the best Fry renderings I've seen are not as realistic as the best Maxwell renderings....

 

I would agree. But the user base for Maxwell is much larger and its been around alot longer. Fry has potential and a VERY responsive development team. One to watch for sure.

[Bubbaloo]

I agree. Competition is a good thing!

[Ernest Burden III]

I agree. Competition is a good thing!

 

Several of the artists that I had always thought were the absolute best at the Maxwell forum are now using Fry. Good artists produce good work, almost irregardless of the tools they use.

 

There are now enough people who have either switched or use both. Compare the work of these artists against themselves with the two programs.

[dave davidson]

ive used both and from what i know is i can get equally if not better quality out of fryrender as i can maxwell. with a better workflow inside cinema 4d so fryrender to me is a bonus to my rendering experience IMHO. thats just my thoughts on the matter. and like they said as the better users with talent (not that there arent any there now) come over and start using it you will see better renderings just like you did when they started using maxwell.

As for when the demo is coming well "when its done" springs to mind your lucky you dont have to wait until version 1 is out before trying it, so its not all bad having to wait a little longer is it, plus as was stated before once its demo there will be no cheap purchase price.

[thickly]

thanks for the replies -- hey Dave, have you seen better render-times out of fry? or at least less noisy images after a 24hrs.

 

Maxwell's render times actually don't really bother me too much -- but I don't make my living from arch viz -- its more the silly mistakes that seem to accompany each release -- texture paths, mxed not opening when double-clicking an mxm, etc... Unfortunately it seems M~R takes two steps forward, three steps back with each release. But faster renders would still be nice.

 

Even if the photo-real quality is not quite as good as Maxwell's -- its good enough for most of what I do. Maybe I can get the company to spring for the full purchase.

[Ernest Burden III]

Even if the photo-real quality is not quite as good as Maxwell's

 

Can we stop that? Where did it come from?

[DisasterArea]

Does Fryrender accept photometric light sources (e.g. IES or Eulumdat)?

I've been searching through their website and can't find any references. I have a similar problem with Maxwell.

 

I ask a simple question (and expect simple answers), why have such great lighting simulators which can not accept industry standard light sources? OK, so you could build the reflectors or prisms, but is that not a bit backwards since the calculation for light disipation would have to work out a silly number of calculations for a room containing a number of luminaires, when the initial bit is done by lighting manufacturers data?

 

Additionally does anyone know if Indigo will accept these file formats for light sources?

 

 

D-A

[Ernest Burden III]

I ask a simple question (and expect simple answers), why have such great lighting simulators which can not accept industry standard light sources?

 

That is a great question. I'm embarrassed to say that despite the fact that I own both MWR and Fry I don't know the answer. I do know that vRay can use IES files. FinalRender2 can, but there is a bug that makes it of no real use (so it can, but really it can't).

 

We will get you an answer about Fry.

[thickly]

sorry -- I'm not saying that it is in fact not as good -- just that even if the image quality was only say 90% as good but all the other elements of the program functioned as they should -- that would be sufficient for me.

 

I am in whole-hearted agreement that the user more then the tool is responsible for great work.

[Ernest Burden III]

if the image quality was only say 90% as good but all the other elements of the program functioned as they should -- that would be sufficient for me.

 

Go find your checkbook.

[Maximus3D]

Neither Maxwell nor Fryrender supports IES and similar types of data. But the new Modo 301 will support IES so that's a good alternative.

 

/ Magnus

[dave davidson]

"thanks for the replies -- hey Dave, have you seen better render-times out of fry? or at least less noisy images after a 24hrs."

 

in many many instances fry is faster ( atleast for me that is ) i have very rarely ever had to do a 24hr+ render.

hope that helps

[DisasterArea]

Neither Maxwell nor Fryrender supports IES and similar types of data. But the new Modo 301 will support IES so that's a good alternative.

 

/ Magnus

 

Does MODO use the Lightworks render engine? If it does, so does TurboCAD (version 14 has just been released FYI), this maybe a route I could take, or I'm back to wrestling with Radiance again

[numerobis]

in many many instances fry is faster ( atleast for me that is )

is this really true? have you ever compared the rendertimes for the same or a similar interior?

 

i would really be interested to see a real comparison of interiors - and not on different machines and with different geometry and lambertian materials like this scene optimization thing was about.

i was shortly before placing my fry order, but this thing and some other rendertimes in the forum holds me off - besides the dongle

 

Does these exit portals really bring a noticeable speed increase?

 

And what about glas and sunlight? is there a solution for this problem or have i to use ghostglas? mxw's ags dosn't work very good for me - still heavy noise if i use it and it looks not very real. so is it possible to render interiors with real looking glas in the windows?

 

it would be great if someone could answer these questions, cause i really consider to buy in the next days.

 

Thanks!

[Maximus3D]

Robert: Modo has it's own renderengine which is both fast and powerful, check it's website and gallery and you'll see what can be done with it. And now when 301 comes with animation support and also IES and much much more it's gonna be a strong competitor with all other major 3d packages out there. Have a look at http://www.luxology.com they can feed you with more and better info than i can do on here.

 

Btw, they got atleast one IES video there.

 

/ Magnus

[DisasterArea]

Thanx Maximus, I'll have a look.

[Devin Johnston]

My guess would be that Fry and Maxwell are about the same in speed but when you tack on the fact that Fry doesn’t have the baggage that Maxwell comes with and they seem to have good tech support I can see why people like it more. Maxwell still has a lot of bugs and it doesn’t do some of the things Fry can do so even though I use it I can't say I recommend it right now.

[Adehus]

Can we stop that? Where did it come from?

 

It came primarily from the maxwell forum- specifically from one of Mike Verta's FUD campaigns against Fry.

 

It'd be awfully hard to convince me that the guy isn't being paid to use his (thankfully dwindling) influence to shill for MWR and slander the competition.

 

I swear that everyone associated with mwr must have cut their teeth selling cars at a 'no credit no problem' used car lot!

[Fran]

I hope that Mike will try the demo. He has a quirky online persona, but he has said publicly that if fryrender ends up better than mw, he'd have no problem using it. I don't think anyone can really judge the limits or potential of a render engine until they drive it themselves. I think that Mike would find out that fryrender doesn't totally suck.

 

I was never really a heavy hitter with mw and I was never able to use it in production largely because my work is 99% interiors. So to compare my MWR work with my fryrender work would not be a definitive test of the abilities of the software. But as a professional visualizer, I prefer fryrender's output, features, developement path, and customer/community support.

[Ernest Burden III]

from one of Mike Verta's FUD campaigns against Fry.

 

Why pay when people will do your work for you for free? I think Mike is someone who enjoys becoming a 'part of something'. I suspect he is as dedicated and aggressive with his Star Wars stuff, with the volunteer work he's mentioned, anything. Some people do a lot of things but don't get very invested in them. My take is that Mike jumps into things he chooses to do with both feet. And that's good. I hope he has an open mind when the Fry demo is released and tries it out, but if he doesn't, it makes no difference. Nobody associate with Fry is trying to stop people from using or enjoying Maxwell.

 

Now...what does FUD mean?

[AJLynn]

Now...what does FUD mean?

 

Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt - it's a negative marketing strategy used in technology and politics where the people or product you're opposing isn't entirely understood by the people you're marketing to, and you use rumors and suggestions to instill fear, uncertainty and doubt about your opposition. It's best used to preempt somebody trying to enter your market. IBM used it effectively in the 80s but it was really perfected by Microsoft.