Fran Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Ok. Now that I know what FUD is, I agree that it seems like that is what is happening, and on a corporate level. Though I really think that on Mike's part it is over-zealousness - and he does abuse his influence. And he knows he's influential, especially when it comes to those who have little or no professional experience. And Next Limit exploits his influence. As for the other users who simply voice a dissatisfaction with fryrender image quality versus what they see with MWR, that is purely up to the user. That's something they get to decide and express. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 I really think that on Mike's part it is over-zealousness - and he does abuse his influence. Perhaps it's best if Mike doesn't try the Fry demo. What if he likes it? Thanks for the clue-in on FUD. After asking I was afraid the F was going to be what F often ends up being these days, as in "Bono dropped the F-bomb". But not this time. Of course, that F word is itself an acronym for 'for unlawful carnal knowledge'. Unlawful? It's not what you do but what you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 I think that story's apocryphal (as is "fornication under the crown of the king") but I can't do that kind of research while at the office. BTW, I'm working in Sketchup Free right now until we can get the IT guy to install the full version, and I'm really impressed by how good the free version is - the only thing I've wanted to do that I can't is export a 3DS file. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 I think that story's apocryphal (as is "fornication under the crown of the king") but I can't do that kind of research while at the office. My boss don't care. And my wife's downstairs... A quick lookup in Wikipedia lists my "info" under False etymologies. OK, I'm wrong. Thanks for pointing that out, I don't like walking around with bad data. There was no clear provenance for the word. We'll just have to take is as it comes from Bono and others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted July 2, 2007 Share Posted July 2, 2007 Perhaps it's best if Mike doesn't try the Fry demo. What if he likes it? Hang on. I'm stuck in a logic loop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mverta Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Much as I enjoy continuing to be a focus of conversation... I bought Maxwell one day after perusing its gallery. I would do so today. I would not buy Fry after perusing its gallery - it's just that simple; I can clearly see a difference. That being said, if software looks like it might have potential, I almost always download free demos because it's always best to try it for myself. So I will download the Fry demo. However, if I can get Maxwell-like quality out of it, it'll be the first time I've seen that from the engine. Again, the image quality is night/day obvious to my eye, and my sensibility, and mine is really the only opinion I care about. Until then, all the personal insults in the world don't actually change the facts: I use what I get the best results with. That has been Maxwell for a couple years now. I share my techniques and do tutorials to help others get the same results, and I do that just to encourage that type of thing; I rely on others doing tutorials, too. _Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Whatever flies your cape, Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Hey Mike it's good to see you here. I would be very interested in your evaluation of Fry against Maxwell, it's been something that we've been trying to do as a like minded group but we haven't been able to get there yet. I agree with you about Fry's quality not comparing to Maxwell's but I'd still like to see a side by side comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
u.biq Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 I agree with you about Fry's quality not comparing to Maxwell's Sorry Devin, how can you say that? The only thing you could safely say is : 'i agree with you about the Fry's Gallery quality not comparing to Maxwell's' and it will be again based on your own judgment, and only that. Time will tell. As for Mike, it's funny to see someone so peremptory and so self confident. Lucky you. So far, positive feedback about fry is coming mostly from users who own both of them. We morons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 I use what I get the best results with. Haven't 'seen' you for a while. Will you be at Siggraph? I'm only going to be there one day, the Wednesday of the floor show. If you'll be there, I can finally meet you in person. It will be interesting to get your impressions on Fry once the demo is out, if you feel like trying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Your right, I should have said that comparing Maxwell & Fry's own galleries together Maxwell has better image quality. One thing I notice about Fry's images is they tend to look dark and a little flat, however that is all subjective and you make think they look fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mverta Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Will you be at Siggraph? It will be interesting to get your impressions on Fry once the demo is out, if you feel like trying it. I have been asked to do a live presentation at Siggraph - I'm in the middle of another project, so it's only 90% that I'll actually be able to make it, depending on how things go. But I'm trying; it'd be fun to do. _Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adehus Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 As for Mike, it's funny to see someone so peremptory and so self confident. Lucky you. Yeah, just like when the RC1 was getting ready to be released... don't worry folks, prepare to be bloooowwwn awaaaay! and mine is really the only opinion I care about. Shame that your towering absence of all credibility means that you're the only one who should care about your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
u.biq Posted July 3, 2007 Share Posted July 3, 2007 Devin ; as you say, you will be able to try it *soon* (i almost don't dare to use this word anymore ) Just wanted to add that, having the luck of bein a fry beta tester, this software goes better and better almost *every* day, due to the unbelievable work of the dev team. In far less than ONE year, the progresses have been tremendous, and it's not the end ; it's still in beta stage, remember, not in a fancy 1.5 version that seems to only satisfy some happy few (i just read the official forum, you know, as i've been banned from it ) @Andrew : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 Well, I have to say that hearing that people think the fryrender gallery is inferior kinda grates, since a bit of my work is there. Having said that, I think that interior architectural visualization is a bit different from rendering props in pre-made studio setups. So I can see where some people are looking for very specific aspects of a render that can't feasibly be incorporated into interior viz production work. Mike, I will also say that MW 1.5 interior visualizations I've seen are rarely very good - not even as good as with 1.1 - which was not even as good as beta. The software that created the gallery images that prompted you to purchase Maxwell no longer exists. In my case, the thing that inspired me about Maxwell no longer exists. Fryrender inspires me, and I'm confident that I'm currently producing the best work I possibly can, regardless of the engine. I respect your opinion, but I don't care much for your bedside manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mverta Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 Fran, if you like Fry and it inspires you and you get your best images with it, then you'd be a fool to use anything else. Doesn't matter why, really... it's not like there can be only one engine. I still use mental ray from time to time, depending. Anyway, the quality of gallery images that impressed me are definitely still being created, albeit I've never looked much at interiors; it's not what I do. I do vfx and product work, and for me, Maxwell is still hands-down. So, who gives a shit? But I for one would appreciate it if y'all would prove how much you personally dislike me (none of whom actually know me) by not bringing my name up anymore. There's no point. _Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 Sorry Mike, I know too much to personally dislike you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 We all know there is a lot of history and bad blood relating to this topic and it’s tempting to start attacking people personally but let’s keep it civil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 Devin, if you're referring to my comment, I think you've misinterpreted it. If you're not referring to my comment, then never mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted July 4, 2007 Share Posted July 4, 2007 No Fran I was refering to comments made earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adehus Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 Two things I could never ever (EVAH!) imagine anyone wanting in an unbiased render engine are: -An illustration/toon render option -The option to isolate an area for further noise reduction These are clearly of no discernable benefit to any user in any circumstance. However, being the open-minded guy I am, if you feel differently, you can see an example of these technologies in action here: http://www.fryrender.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=1925 http://www.fryrender.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=1940 Don't say I didn't warn ya, these things are useless!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 That is so cool I don't know where to start. Is there a material override switch to get the white material with the toon effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 My first question is how fast does it render compared to other options like Final Toon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 That is so cool I don't know where to start. Is there a material override switch to get the white material with the toon effect? The toon engine is separate from the regular engine, they do not render together. You have to comp in Photoshop. But that is exactly how I produce my work, so I'm happily surprised. Andrew--were you being serious? If you look at my work you'll see the value of combining realistc renders with toon effects. And the ability to target an area for noise refinement sounds like a real commonsense solution to the shortcomings of the MLT engines. I'm not a betatester for Fry, so I've never tried these features, only commenting on the posts. Fran gave me her layers on one image and I was able to work them up into something in my style, so it works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted July 11, 2007 Share Posted July 11, 2007 My first question is how fast does it render compared to other options like Final Toon? I asked that, too. Dave Davidson said it was quite fast, so let's suppose it is. Using the C4D Sketch&Toon module I have rendered complex architectural scenes in line (as discussed recently in another thread here) at over 4000 lines in about 10 minutes or less per frame. From what Dave said I think this Fry module may be a little slower, but I'd have to try it myself to be sure. While I like the idea of having this ability in Fry, I am quite happy with how the three external engines I have so far for C4D, Maxwell, Fry and FinalRender-St2, all render perfectly aligned with the built-in engine, and that includes panned two-point perspective C4D cameras. So I can render passes in whatever program I like and they layer pixel-for-pixel in Photoshop. I can do GI lighting in Fry, materials in C4D, lines in Sketch&Toon, reflections, refractions and bump in FR2 if I like. Choice is good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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