On teaching 3ds max

[louis.cho]

I don't think that abisan's point was to abase ACad users and this debate begin to be be needlessly emotional

 

It's true that many ACad users are lost when they begin with max because ACad is different and suggest a different way to work; it's not a drawing software, it's a CAD software.

 

It's is also true that 3ds max have all possibilities to work with all the accuracy you want to if you need it. There is many way to do it. Some people are happy with a 90% accuracy, some want 99,999%; all project are different and have it's constraints.

 

It's a typical reaction from these student, I had the same! I got fear of this new way to work and I said: hey, why max can't do what ACad do? it's bull.... now i'am more reasonable and I say: hey, why ACad can't do what Max do!!! haha

[neko]

agreed - i don't like to play the 'heavy' in this discussion, but on behalf of his students (present and future) i think that abisan needs someone to question his approach to autocad and the people who use it.

[louis.cho]

maybe

asbian, have you worked with autocad? had you this lost feeling?

 

an other theory (and I walk on eggs here, don't throw me bricks): I noticed that many students, particulary adults students are often ungrateful. I mean, the autority relation is less than normal because the age and experience is nearly the same. many want to have the last word on the teatcher. one in a calss of 20 can ruin a day

[neko]

there are always good students and bad students, regardless of age.

 

most of my students are younger (19-20) and occasionally you get one that challenges you about the software we use (PC/mac debate or the growing role of Revit/BIM). older students do sometimes have preconceived ideas and habits, but i find that they usually adapt when you explain to them the benefits of a certain approach.

 

i think that is my point in this debate - you should never stop learning and you must be able to defend your position based on experience and knowledge.

 

students are very quick to pick up on uncertainty and lack of experience.

[louis.cho]

I think nobody can opose to this. debate close?

[abisan]

Prodham, you seem insistent on steering this discussion into the autocadd arena , which it is not. I still maintain my critiscism is focussed not on autocadd , or its users, but to autocadd users as far as thier attitude toward learning 3d max is concerned. Yes in that regard I did criticize them.

But like I mentioned you miss the point.

 

It doesnt matter whether I have worked in Autocadd. I do not want to take this talk there. If you are interested in discussing the general attitude of cadd users when they step into a different software like Max, Im open, but if you want it to be a slag fest in defense of Autocadd, then Im outa here.

[louis.cho]

i am sorry if i offensed you, it was not my interest. all i wanted to say it's that a perfectly normal reaction to be lost when you come from a cad soft like ACad to Max and their [arrogant] attitude come from this feeling of losing control of thier creation.

my last point: you will never get your student on the track with that kind of critics and, by that point, i,am agree with prodham, sorry.

 

I am out of here now, good luck

[neko]

general discussion forum, or MAX ? that was your choice, unfortunately.

 

it was also your choice to criticize users of software you clearly don't understand.

 

what was there to discuss ? yes, users of autocad have problems adjusting to drawing in MAX. big deal.

 

more importantly, the discussion (which i feel i generated) was how to overcome this issue by understanding better where they are coming from and adjusting your methods.

 

you seemed to enjoy hearing people agree with your bias and criticism towards your students, but didn't listen to, or like to hear someone disagreeing with you and exposing your inconsistencies and weaknesses. as i said earlier, on behalf of your students i sincerely hope you take the criticism and use it productively.

 

my guess is you won't because you're only interested in dishing out criticism, not taking it.