Cesar R Posted April 10, 2003 Share Posted April 10, 2003 ok, I downloaded a demo for Revit and it looks and feels just like ArchiCad, are they related? Do you guys feel this porduct will replace/ or that is supperior to AST 2004? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ingo Posted April 11, 2003 Share Posted April 11, 2003 Hi Cesar, no, they are not related, autodesk/discreet is simply 15 years behind. I hope i too can get a view on Revit in the next weeks, so that i dont miss the next revolution in CADD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dollus Posted April 11, 2003 Share Posted April 11, 2003 I think they are related in the sense that both were developed in Europe. Autodesk just bought Revit when they couldn't get Desktop to deliver as promised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard McCarthy Posted April 14, 2003 Share Posted April 14, 2003 Definitely. I think Revit is the future. I have used ArchiCAD and AST, and there is just no comparison. AST is too hard to setup for some medium or simple project, (too much configuration) and it still a bolt on for autoCAD, a 20+ year product that should have retired a long time ago. As for ArchiCAD, it's very similar, but I must say ArchiCAD is messy, interface wise. The file structure of ArchiCAD is also very messy, do a simple 2 story house project, and you end up with 1000 files + library. Revit on the other hand, incorporate EVERY file you use in the library or anything wise, into a single file. Pretty smart (probably just a zip file) saves me a lot of scares of missing some critical library when I move between work and home. Not to mention, revit's parametric modeler, it's very robust. ArchiCAD on the other hand doesn't seem to come close to this regard. But ArchiCAD does have the advantage of including a lot of localised libraries of 3D/object models which makes making a design a game of plug and play. Originally posted by Cesar R: ok, I downloaded a demo for Revit and it looks and feels just like ArchiCad, are they related? Do you guys feel this porduct will replace/ or that is supperior to AST 2004? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris koehler Posted April 14, 2003 Share Posted April 14, 2003 just my 2 cents on this topic: concerning multiple files and things like that in archicad... in archicad 8 you have the option to have the whole library an the planfile in one single archive-file (like it was possible in older versions, but now you don´t have to extract libraries to use them, you can load them out of this one single archive file which is indeed very handy!!!) and the one of most important changes - you don´t need plotmaker files anymore for layouting your stuff - the new plotmaker reads simply the planfile from archicad! so you end up with just one file for your plan (3d-model, sections, details, and so on...) and one for the whole layout(book)... clean an efficient! interface-wise i think archicad has one of the most productive and straight forward interface designs i´ve ever used - speed is everything! once you´ve figured out how to use it efficient with shortcuts and mouse-klick combos it´s perfect for architectural drawings and easy modelling tasks (not to forget the boolean solid operations in version 8 - and they remain parametric - if you move the cutting object the hole in our target object will move also!) christoph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerry Thompson Posted April 14, 2003 Share Posted April 14, 2003 Hi, Just got my copy of ADT 4, lots of changes and quite a jump forward from ADT 3.3. A lot of Revit like features in the product and a new interface. - Feels more usable any way. I understand that Revit was initially developed in the US by ex PTC people and as such has an "engineering" feel about it in terms of the parametric design. I think that AutoDesk bought it to take it out of play, and use some of the concepts. I have an issue with parametric design for architecture in that the result is defined by the parametric limits - maybe fine for some types analysis work and producing acres of architectural dross and but I feel is limited for creative design (architecture is not a widget, though sometimes it can be). While ADT is not fully parametric in the Revit sense, it does offer far more flexibility. The AEC components in ADT are parametric. That said, it does take some effort to learn. As far as "one file for every thing" is concept is concerned, again we are limiting options. I like to be able to get at my linked files and allow other people in my project teams to get at them - as well as link them to the office intranet etc. I do not have to hang around waiting for my turn to log into the one 120Mb file. I see the project directory as the super set of files (the one file) and, properly setup and managed, allows users to work on various parts of the project at the same time. Keeping thing in a hierarchy directory structure means that zipping the project directory gets the structure. ADT 4 provides a XML based project manager interface to manage this aspect as well as "relative" xrefs. Looks very cool. The linked files concept is the foundation of the Internet and if the Web was in "one file" I would not be writing this now. As for the future, this is in the hands of the marketing Gods (and often as not, is not about meeting users needs but keeping shareholders happy) but I do not think the AutoDesk can ignore the AutoCAD culture that has evolved over the last 20 years. After seeing ADT 4, I would not be surprised that Revit may be amalgamated into ADT 5, 6 rather than the other way around. Kerry Thompson ANZIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seismograph Posted April 14, 2003 Share Posted April 14, 2003 I think that AutoDesk bought it to take it out of play, and use some of the concepts. I agree with you. We also should think that Acad is an 20years old concept and that ADT is a resource monster (it will not change with r4). I never had the chance to touch revit but it seems to be a very smart solution with a very easy learning path. ..a friend told me that it behaves like inventor and this is a SOTA app with a perfect usability. Archicad is a toy, which is perfect for social housing schemes and smaller projects. The offices i know, still use 2d lines in archicad for more advanced designs... Chris, i know that you are forced to learn Archicad on TU vienna, but there are smarter and cheaper solutions available. ..btw have you ever tried to load a normal projectsized pla file into plotmaker?..impossible on machines a european architect own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris koehler Posted April 14, 2003 Share Posted April 14, 2003 i don´t use only archicad , especially for the more far out designs at the university i am happy with basic modelling in archicad an further production in 3dsmax/rhino and photoshop... BUT i use it as a working tool at two vienna based companies i am working for, and i have to tell you, this thing is far from being just a toy! it is fast and productive and i can imagine no other tool as good as archicad for architect´s daily work like submissional drawings, construction plans, ... no problems so far getting any project into plotmaker (and believe me, i have about 5 years of experience with it and other pieces of architectural software). btw: in university we are forced to learn part formZ (more) and part archicad (less). formZ is a nice modeller, don´t get me wrong, but for daily work i prefer for example archicad 100 times over it (and i am about 10x as fast in archicad for standard tasks)... @seismograph: which software are you using? cu [ April 14, 2003, 12:25 PM: Message edited by: chris koehler ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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