3darchitect Posted August 15, 2007 Share Posted August 15, 2007 Ok, so I'm totally confused as to why everyone is telling me to use Intel Quad cores vs AMDs. I'm not stupid and realize that a Quad Core is going to be faster than a Dual Core. But that is on a 32-bit machine. From what I understand the Intel Q6600 Quad core is NOT a 64-bit chip. It has "64-bit support" (whatever that means) but is in reality just 4 32-bit chips (I got this info from a reliable source that I trust). This being said, why do people not use AMD's Dual Core 64-bit chips with XP Pro 64? I seriously think I'm missing something here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zdravko Barisic Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Perhaps, Q6600 is 128-bit core (32x4)!!! .... Joking! Somebody really screwed you up, every C2D chip is native 64-bit core, firsts core chips were 32-bit but that were 2 years ago and they are not selling anymore. Just an advice: If you go with Quad core be shore to use X64 OS+4GB at least because Quad is really memory hunger! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3darchitect Posted August 16, 2007 Author Share Posted August 16, 2007 Actually, that's exactly what I was told. I was informed that the Intel Quad core processor is a quad core of 4 32-bit chips. Two of the chips are stacked on top of each other to give the illusion of a 64-bit chip. But then, that is basically the same as a Dual Core 64-bit chip. However, its not the same thing. Its like putting two 6 cylinder engines in a car and calling it a 12 cylinder. Technically it is, but at the same time, technically its not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zdravko Barisic Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Well, for 2d/3d apps it really doesnt matter is it pure quad core or dual core, if you really need it, just buy it. 3dsmax/vray/mray.....do not care about that, if your app support 4 core it will read all 4 cores on the same way as it "pure quad core" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 a 32 bit pc is a 32 bit pc no matter how many 32 bit chips are in it. we've just ordered a couple of oct Intel pc's (2xquad chips in each) @ 64 bit total (even though it contains 4x64 bit processing), but with 32 bit windows installed; 64 bit chips as they've been standard for nearly 2 years, but 32 bit windows as we're still not confident enough about running all our office softwares on a 64 bit operating system. the 32 bit windows runs fine on a 64 bit chip. not as fast as a 64 bit windows obviously, but not drastically slower either. We also went with the standard 64 bit chips so it gives us the option to upgrade to 64 bit windows when it comes of age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3darchitect Posted August 16, 2007 Author Share Posted August 16, 2007 I know that its the OS that determines whether the machine is a 32 or 64-bit. But I believe all those benchmark comparisons between the AMD Athlon 64 6000+ and the Intel Core 2 Duo Quad Core are all done on 32-bit computers. If that's the case, then DUH! Of course Intel will win. But does anyone know of these same comparisons done on a 64-bit OS? If so, I really want to see them, and if not, WHY?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron-cds Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Here is my Q6600 on a P5B deluxe at 3600 MHz running Vista 64 bit, MAX9 - just cracks the 2 minute mark. I will be running it 24/7 at a little over 3500Mhz. Different times on different OS / Max versions Interesting stats on another machine Q6600 @ 3420 MHz, 1G ram Vista64bit - Max9 64bit = 2mins 5.9 sec Vista64bit - Max9 32bit = 2mins 12.6 sec WinXP-32 bit - Max9 = 2mins 11.4 sec WinXP-32 bit - Max8 = 2mins 29.9 sec All tests best of 3 frames, same machine, same conditions, netrendering. I copied the above benchmark test from the chaosgroup benchmark thread. Here's my result: dual quad core 2.66 ghz (x5355), 4 gb ram xp 64 (lc passes set to 8, not 4) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron-cds Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 quad core rules over any dual core, period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Paske Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Regardless of whether you use a 64 bit intel or amd, going 64-bit is going to give you a much larger memory footprint. A quad core's true benefit comes during rendering when all the cores are being utilized. The majority of time, unless you are seriously multitasking (rendering a video and working in cad for example) the additional core's will sit idle as most apps can only address 1 cpu, though some are getting better making use of 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3darchitect Posted August 16, 2007 Author Share Posted August 16, 2007 Yea, I've decided to go with 64-bit regardless of what kind of system I get. But I think I'm going to go with AMD just to be rebellious And I'm curious to see how my system will match up with an Intel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron-cds Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Are the dual quad cores out for AMD now? It would be interesting to see a benchmark for intel dual quad vs. AMD dual quad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Paske Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Looks like Sept. 10th. http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/33279/135/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3darchitect Posted August 16, 2007 Author Share Posted August 16, 2007 Yea I can't wait for those. I was under the impression that the release was going to be closer to Christmas, but I'm probably wrong. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted August 16, 2007 Share Posted August 16, 2007 Yea I can't wait for those. I can't wait, either. I'm probably going to order a new workstation tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pipjor Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Aaron nice OC...you beat my Q6600 by 40 secs... care to share any OC tips.. i have EVGA 680i SLI board, Artic Cooling Freezer 7, but i seem to run hot without any OCing, 47f idle, 58-62f full load... could it be it's been so d#mn hot down here in Atlanta 100+ that my house never really cools down to 80f until 2am??? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron-cds Posted August 17, 2007 Share Posted August 17, 2007 Thanks, it's no secret. It's just a Dell Precision dual quad core. It's great having eight processors. My old machine just had two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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