Brian Smith Posted September 10, 2007 Author Share Posted September 10, 2007 more good hd-dvd news for anyone that cares...hd-dvd will now have more storage space than blu-ray http://www.dvdtown.com/news/china-chooses-hd-dvd/4732 http://www.dvdtown.com/news/51gb-hd-dvd-approved-for-production/4731 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazdaz Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 ^^ Interesting news and all, but those 51GB discs are pointless since they won't be read on any existing HD-DVD player. But not like disc space was a concern anyways for movie watching. Both formats easily fit a feature film on it, which is why I always thought that BR's claim of holding more info was quite laughable... when was the last time you watched a 5 hour long movie?!? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dollus Posted September 10, 2007 Share Posted September 10, 2007 Meanwhile, Red has delivered on their 4k camera and Sharp has a 4k LCD playback device on tour. I don't think either format will last nearly as long as VHS did and it won't be long before landfills are clogged with both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray players in an impressive display of solidarity. Then again, I own more books than DVD's anyway so I guess I'm just poking with a stick.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Smith Posted September 10, 2007 Author Share Posted September 10, 2007 ^^ Interesting news and all, but those 51GB discs are pointless since they won't be read on any existing HD-DVD player. But not like disc space was a concern anyways for movie watching. Both formats easily fit a feature film on it, which is why I always thought that BR's claim of holding more info was quite laughable... when was the last time you watched a 5 hour long movie?!? LOL your point is valid and true, but what's worse is that most blu-ray player owners don't even realize that their players will be obsolete after oct 31, 2007. Here's a good read about it. http://www.highdefforum.com/showthread.php?t=50642&highlight=2.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 Are you still trying to apply reason to this? It's not going to work. This thing won't be over for a couple more years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazdaz Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 your point is valid and true, but what's worse is that most blu-ray player owners don't even realize that their players will be obsolete after oct 31, 2007. Here's a good read about it. http://www.highdefforum.com/showthread.php?t=50642&highlight=2.0 Interesting read, but in all honesty, BD 1.1 or even 2.0 specs are no different than that 51 GB HD-DVD disc... no one outside of a lab is going to see any of those features... and honestly I didn't see anywhere that they listed what those features even are. DVD, HD-DVD and BR players (hell, most consumer electronics) are like game consoles (or at least like consoles of old)... once they are released, there is nothing you can do to the standard that will break those players. Unless they have some kind of upgradable firmware that will automatically get upgraded, you are essentially stuck at 1.0 specs. No publisher is going to use 2.0 specs knowing that XX million players are not going to be able to read the disc or use the features. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Smith Posted September 11, 2007 Author Share Posted September 11, 2007 Are you still trying to apply reason to this? It's not going to work. This thing won't be over for a couple more years. no it probably wont really be over for several years, but i am sure what happens in the next 6 months will determine who will ultimately prevail. i am personally just fascinated at the politics and business of it all. it's really quite a show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodT Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 vinal, reel to reel, 8 track, cassette, betamax, vhs, cd, dvd, ..... same old song new set of words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afterglow Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 I think the general public cares more about which format has a cooler name than they do about BD 1.1 and 2.0 etc. why not just except that there are 2 HD formats that you can choose from.. it's not like either is going to just disappear. imo, with the rate that technology is moving, there will be way too many options in the next few yrs for either to become a standard and replace dvd... i think we'll be downloading or watching HD 'movies on demand' way before either has a chance to become a new standard. as with music downloads killing SACD and dvd-audio, won't the same thing happen for these HD video formats as we continue to get higher and faster download speeds over the next few yrs?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Vestal Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 vinal, reel to reel, 8 track, cassette, betamax, vhs, cd, dvd, ..... same old song new set of words agree, this is the same thing as DVD+R and DVD-R while back. HP was the first to offer a dual format burner cheap (around $300) LG (and Toshiba I think) already have dual format HD players. You can get it today from Crutchfield. We went with blu-ray since that is what Adobe is currently supporting. We have no other way of authoring a DVD here for under $4000, so blu-ray is the winner at our location... for now. I am guessing future burners and authoring programs will be dual format then all this will be moot. It is exactly what happened when DVD first came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted September 11, 2007 Share Posted September 11, 2007 as with music downloads killing SACD and dvd-audio, won't the same thing happen for these HD video formats...?? In almost all cases, music 'downloads' are low-quality digital files, even by 1986 CD standards. The problem with SACD and DVD-A seems to be that the vast majority of people think a 64K bitrate MP3 is just fine, so why shop anywhere else? With video, the sheeple are being carpet-bombed with "you need it in High-Def!". Whether or not its really better, or they can even tell the difference, they appear to be following orders and buying. The music industry forgot to stress quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Smith Posted September 11, 2007 Author Share Posted September 11, 2007 couldn't help posting this. just found that there's a whole nation of bluray/hd-dvd fanatics on their own websites. i like a good forum chat once in a while but these people need serious professional help. as one person put it, there will probably be mass suicide on one side or the other if either side loses http://www.highdefforum.com/showthread.php?t=50708 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 So Wal-Mart had a special on Toshiba HD-A2 players for $98 and I picked one up. I figure at that price I can write it off if when Blu-Ray wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneis Posted November 2, 2007 Share Posted November 2, 2007 So Wal-Mart had a special on Toshiba HD-A2 players for $98 and I picked one up. I figure at that price I can write it off if when Blu-Ray wins. After reading the forum that Brian linked to, I hope neither wins. We don't need any more disposable plastic media on the planet anyway. Hopefully static drives will develop into a micro format and we can be done with "disposable" media for good. If I had the option to take my 2.5" external down to the local music/ DVD video store and have the purchased media loaded onto it, I would. It would save me transferring it at home. When it dies and I throw it away, it would creates less than 1% of the landfill that the same amount of media would if in CD/DVD format. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 I think there's going to be demand for media, officially produced, with a case, some promotional materials and logo graphics printed on it, made by a shop and bought from a retailer, for the foreseeable future. I cite Walter Benjamin. Ridiculous, yes, as the DVD and associated materials are mechanically reproduced, but in our society a DVD with packaging has aura - but it will take quite some time, I think, for something that's sold as information only with no physical materiality to acquire aura. For example - a show of hands, how many people want a printed manual for their software even if the electronic docs are quite good? And how many people appreciate their manual more, even if they normally wouldn't admit it, if it's got the logo of the company that made the software and some nice graphic design consistent with that company's other materials, or a hologram, or somthing else to that effect? MacOSX Leopard has no copy protection at all - no serial number even - would Apple have sold 2 million copies in the first weekend if there weren't something psychologically significant in having the box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kippu Posted November 3, 2007 Share Posted November 3, 2007 count me in i love boxes and manuals and books Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazdaz Posted November 4, 2007 Share Posted November 4, 2007 I think there's going to be demand for media, officially produced, with a case, some promotional materials and logo graphics printed on it, made by a shop and bought from a retailer, for the foreseeable future. I cite Walter Benjamin. Ridiculous, yes, as the DVD and associated materials are mechanically reproduced, but in our society a DVD with packaging has aura - but it will take quite some time, I think, for something that's sold as information only with no physical materiality to acquire aura. For example - a show of hands, how many people want a printed manual for their software even if the electronic docs are quite good? And how many people appreciate their manual more, even if they normally wouldn't admit it, if it's got the logo of the company that made the software and some nice graphic design consistent with that company's other materials, or a hologram, or somthing else to that effect? MacOSX Leopard has no copy protection at all - no serial number even - would Apple have sold 2 million copies in the first weekend if there weren't something psychologically significant in having the box? Times change real quick though... as of July of this year, Apple sold 3,000,000,000 songs on iTunes. While I too like a printed manual for software (as rare as that is now a days), media like songs and movies don't need them, and with so many people ripping CDs onto their computer and other devices, it's actually better to just buy the electronic media from the beginning - saving a whole step. While right now HiDef movies might be a little too big to easily store and transfer electronically, the day will come when it's the norm. And I see that day coming sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Smith Posted November 4, 2007 Author Share Posted November 4, 2007 Times change real quick though... as of July of this year, Apple sold 3,000,000,000 songs on iTunes. While I too like a printed manual for software (as rare as that is now a days), media like songs and movies don't need them, and with so many people ripping CDs onto their computer and other devices, it's actually better to just buy the electronic media from the beginning - saving a whole step. While right now HiDef movies might be a little too big to easily store and transfer electronically, the day will come when it's the norm. And I see that day coming sooner rather than later. Oh it's definitely coming...just like DVDs eventually weeded out VHS but it's likely to take many years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted November 4, 2007 Share Posted November 4, 2007 Actually, that already exists Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Smith Posted November 4, 2007 Author Share Posted November 4, 2007 Actually, that already exists true but a lot of tech things exist that wont be mainstream for a very long time if ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazdaz Posted November 4, 2007 Share Posted November 4, 2007 Actually, that already exists Oh, no doubt that it's doable now, but the HiDef file size versus the internet connection speed isn't quite up there for most people. Also the HiDef file size versus available harddrive space isn't ready for primetime either. People on this site might have fairly decent PCs, but many "regular" folk are still chugging along on Pentium 4's with under 50GB harddrives and connecting to the internet at less than 1.5Mbps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianzajac Posted November 5, 2007 Share Posted November 5, 2007 Oh, no doubt that it's doable now, but the HiDef file size versus the internet connection speed isn't quite up there for most people. Also the HiDef file size versus available harddrive space isn't ready for primetime either. People on this site might have fairly decent PCs, but many "regular" folk are still chugging along on Pentium 4's with under 50GB harddrives and connecting to the internet at less than 1.5Mbps. While this is true too, don't forget that connection speeds through fiber optic lines are making movie downloads even more of a reality. Check out the speed from Verizon FIOS: "Why wait? With FiOS, upload pictures and movies in a flash! Serious gamer? We've thought of you too. Play games with the other side of the world as if they were next door... lag-free! With FiOS Packages offering up to 30 Mbps downloads and 5 Mbps uploads (and even higher in some locations), patience is generally the cable user's virtue." Now that's fast... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazdaz Posted November 7, 2007 Share Posted November 7, 2007 Woah... I have been looking at getting FIOS, but damn, I didn't think it was that fast. I was actually more interested in it as a replacement for cable TV (god, do I hate Comcast). AT&T has a killer deal on their version of FIOS for like $60/mo (100 channels of cable tv and internet), but alas it isn't on my street... yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniohayon Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Well...looks like the game is over but with a different monster in the front: http://www.homemediamagazine.com/news/html/breaking_article.cfm?sec_id=2&&article_ID=11816 ...and the reaction not late to come: http://www.homemediamagazine.com/news/html/breaking_article.cfm?sec_id=2&&article_ID=11822 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyinHawaiian Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 In related news, Amazon.com has a half-off sale. You can purchase high def movies for the price of a regular dvd "for a limited time." If I had a high def player, I'd be all over this sale. http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?ie=UTF8&plgroup=1&docId=1000186951&plpage=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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