UTGolf Posted August 9, 2003 Share Posted August 9, 2003 Autodesk VIZ 4 maybe stop develope to next version.Because Architect and Interior designer user select 3DS MAX more than that in market. in USA local fill same this. I'm from Thailand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted August 9, 2003 Share Posted August 9, 2003 we purchased max instead of viz because we were told there was a good chance that viz was coming to an end, and because viz does not have object animation. looks like we are shooting ourself in the foot again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Munz Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Really? We are considering buying Viz in the near future. I am wondering if this is true and we should really use Max instead? Any Insights from people the know the true future of Viz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Hi, I've heard that rumor, too. Autodesk isn't known for sticking with something, besides ACAD. MDT is effectively replaced by Inventor, and ADT will be replaced, too. In looking at the features for max r6, such as improved DWG support, support for VIZ features in ADT, and the Architectureal material Shader, you have to wonder what is going on. 3ds max r6 features Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Contact your loving local Autodesk dealer and request the demo disc for VIZ4--tell them you are seriously interested in buying it. You will not only get the 'party line' but likely the back story, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyanide Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Yep, I read that ADT is only going to run for another couple of releases, then everyone will have to use Revit instead. By which point AutoDesk will probably have removed Accurender as Revit's render engine and replaced it with Viz render. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Nelson Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 avatar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Cassil Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 While watching the Max 6 design visualization demo at the discreet booth at Siggraph I realized that this was the first time I had seen any official demo including architectural scenes since the original release of Max. I also noticed how much they had focused on the new layers improvements and other very cad friendly features they had incorporated. So I just stated openly that it sounded like they are planning on killing off Viz. The guy there kind of smiled, shrugged his shoulders and immediately went on to the next topic. I would say all signs point to either no future upgrades for viz or possibly one last one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 I would say all signs point to either no future upgrades for viz or possibly one last one. Something like five months ago an ADSK dealer didn't even want to send me the demo disc, insisting VIZ4 as a stand-alone product was dead, she said it would be wrapped into ADT. I have seen nothing so far to suggest she was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Yes all of the updates being made in MAX 6 are indeed the foundation for MAX to become the platform that they want people to use for visualization. This paired with ADT/VIZ and Revit and you have yourself a complete package that will cover both the high end photo-real markets and those wanting to do simple massing studies with flare. If you look at all of the feature being added you will quickly notice that a large percent of them are targetted to the architectural industry. This is not by accident. Much to the dismay of many of the other industries that use max, however, but indeed a very indicative step for the future of MAX. I'd love to say more, but unfourtunately I can't. At least not yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vizwhiz Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Jeff well Then dammit when will you be able to say something (or anyone say anything for That matter) ?? Thanks i guess about the No news Randy when one door closes another door opens my Truck got stolen i just got another Truck 2003 Tacoma SR5 (with payments to prove it) and i used 1/2 of the settlement for a down payment on a small house Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAD Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 orangeno this, my friendly friends... is definitely a sad news for me. i chose VIZ instead of MAX coz i find it more simpler to work on compared to MAX. i'm not into too much animation, i just want plain image presentation. orangesad too bad, but it seems i have to cancel my enrollment on VIZ 4 tutorial and transfer to MAX. :angesigh: (well, i'm am new on VIZ) :angeuhoh: on the other hand, at least i knew about these so i won't be wasting money on a wrong tutorial. :ebiggrin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cesar R Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 I just want 3ds max to come out for mac os !!!! PLEASE PLEASE, who do I have to convince? Ill take him to a nice strip joint, hehe j/k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgarcia Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Cesar, I don't think Max will ever be ported to Mac OS. Highly unlikely. I would stick with C4D or Lightwave. Sorry pal. Xavier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgarcia Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 Originally posted by CAD: ...i chose VIZ instead of MAX coz i find it more simpler to work on compared to MAX. i'm not into too much animation...There is not much difference between Max and Viz (well versions 4/5 anyway). Same modelling capabilities. Max has reactor physics, adaptive regathering, character studio, material animation,....bla bla. Run a search for Max / Viz comparion to see more. It's a shame Autodesk / Discreet is abandoning a cheaper lighter Max version. Viz was perfect for people (ie. arch. visualizerz) not requiring all of Max's feature set. It's sort of like Acad vs. Acad LT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted August 11, 2003 Share Posted August 11, 2003 too bad, but it seems i have to cancel my enrollment on VIZ 4 tutorial and transfer to MAX. :angesigh: Well if VIZ does go anywhere I can't see it happening in the immediate future and even if it did there will always be upgrade paths or if you so choose, just keep using VIZ. Lightscape has been nixed and there are still MANY people using it today, myself included. If and when you do decide to upgrade the move will be an easy transition as it's pretty much the same program in most respects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerry Thompson Posted August 12, 2003 Share Posted August 12, 2003 Hi Jeff's comment "I'd love to say more, but unfortunately I can't. At least not yet." is exactly what is sooo frustrating with AutoDesk and their product cycles. - and Jeff, with all due respects, you have become part of it. Why can't they be open about what they are doing and provide foundations for some strategic customer decision making rather than all the innuendo. The Revit/ADT scenario is classic AutoDesk smoke and mirrors, - customers are been told different stories depending on what the dealer think will get them the sale. Customers feel trapped and confused, and become inert. To my way of thinking, ADT4 is a very powerful architectural product based on strong concepts developed over a period of time and after 4 generations has matured a lot. Revit is based on product and manufacturing design concepts, not architecture, and, to my mind, is not industrial strength at this stage. That is not the say that it will not be so in the future and I am looking for both products ADT and Revit to merge and take the best of both. Dummping ADT to move to Revit shows the same echoes the dumping of Lightscape. To me, architecture is not parametric - though parts of it are. Contract documentation is not the model, but a language based on the model and, in the real world, the Building Information Model (BIM) is distributed, not centralized. I just wish that they (AutoDesk) would get of their butts and tell us what is really happening!! My rave for the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcorbett Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 Unfortunately there's no little "money" emoticon, so I'll have to settle for the sad little blue guy. I love the fact that VIZ contains almost everything that I would use in MAX, but in a price range that I can afford. Do you think they going to lower the overall price? Or are FormZ and Maya going to regain some of the under $2000 market? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 - and Jeff, with all due respects, you have become part of it.Well I don't know becuase "they" don't know either. I do expect some news shortly however which is why I made my comment. Final decisions are still being made as to what direction several things will take, which is why they have not told anyone. Perhaps next time I will not say anything and you can all be left wondering if there will be news forthcoming at all. ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerry Thompson Posted August 13, 2003 Share Posted August 13, 2003 Hi Jeff Please do not take offence at my comment - it was not meant personally, and thank you for being open about it. I guess there is a lot of gossip around about what what the future directions. Many users invest a lot of time in becoming familiar with software packages and are looking for reassurance that the investment is not wasted. The gossip does not tend to help this but maybe that is the way the industry works. The technology change also moves things around a lot. I have been dealing with AutoDesk software for 15 years and there have been a few culdesacs where very good software/ideas have been terminated. I/we do appreciate what ever information you can provide and if "they" do know, or have not made the decisions, it is also good to know that. Regards Kerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh1587140445 Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 It would be nice for them to give us an answer on what they are doing with VIZ. I mean come on, there are some of us that can not afford to spend more than $3,000 on software. Because I am sure there are others out there that would like to start Freelancing, but legally cannot until we have a copy of the program. Because it may or may not be completely legal to sell images using our employers’ software, but it surely is unethical. And if it takes me 6 months to save up enough money to purchase VIZ, it will take me over a year to save up for MAX. And as everyone knows, you get comfortable with a package, and you also want the latest updates. So why would you buy something that will not continue past the release you own and the only option is to spend a ridiculous amount to upgrade to a new software package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerry Thompson Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Hi Something I picked up in the AutoDesk Viz Newsgroup Hot off the presses - this is what can be officially said on this topic right now: Discreet and Autodesk are currently working on a successor solution to VIZ 4 that will combine the best of both VIZ and 3ds max technology for shipment later in 2003. This solution will also be fully compatible with ADT 2004 and the AutoCAD 2004 family of products, and will provide a new level of visualization capabilities. Attractive migration options for existing VIZ customers will be announced closer to the time of release. I hope this helps some. -- Rod Recker Software Development Manager Autodesk VIZ discreet, a division of Autodesk, Inc. Kerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcahunak Posted August 26, 2003 Share Posted August 26, 2003 Sounds interesting indeed... Good news Kerry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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