Ernest Burden III Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Ummm... all I was saying was wouldn't it be nice if Max had a learning edition, which is probably one of the biggest reasons for someone to download a cracked copy, just to learn how to use it...and extra classes or not, 30 days is useless when it comes to something so vast... There are educational licenses available for Autodesk products if you are a student or faculty at a design school. Maybe just a student in general? I'm not sure, but the cost is fairly low. Many years ago the president of Autodesk was quoted as saying she would rather have someone using a pirated copy of ACAD than buying a competitor. They may have attitude now, but wide use of unlicensed copies of AutoCad is part of how they got their market dominance. I'm not saying it was intentional, but with the bloodsport business practices of Autodesk, it wouldn't surprise me if it was, at least in part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron-cds Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 Sadly history is replete with people who didn't get what was coming to them. I too wish there was a Pagan god of software that would reign mighty justice on the unwashed/unregistered. But I fear there is not. lol, I didn't mean to say they should have something bad coming to them. I simply mean that hopefully someday, they won't be able to utilize pirated software as a resource. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaron-cds Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 30 days is useless when it comes to something so vast... I agree, max is one of the toughest programs to learn, imho. It took me a year to finally become comfortable. I was working with it about 3 days a week in a full time job as an architect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowback Posted November 27, 2007 Share Posted November 27, 2007 There are educational licenses available for Autodesk products if you are a student or faculty at a design school. Maybe just a student in general? I'm not sure, but the cost is fairly low.quote] That's great if you are a student......but if not you are kinda stuck. I would never advise use pirated software at work.....thats stupid, I think we all know that, and people that do......it's gonna come around.....then it won't be so funny! But the only way I broke into this industry was using a pirated version at home until I had a half descent enough portfolio to get a foot in the door. Now a 30 day demo would not have cut it. With something like max that would have been close to the 1st or 2nd image I ever produced. Talk about laugh your head off! That's resume = garbage. I don't know what the right answer is. I tried to do the right thing, but what gave me the opportunities to learn and do the right thing is the same opening that SOME people exploit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creasia Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 Today I was offered $300 for a rendering. I had a $Revit$ user, an Architect, who bid me down to $350 for a rendering. Are our education, experience, business investment and time worth spit or what? Tell me that the industry is still prospering somewhere. Is the Salary Survey what we wish we could charge but never get paid? I live in Calgary where one can't live on $8 an hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowback Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 Today I was offered $300 for a rendering. I had a $Revit$ user, an Architect, who bid me down to $350 for a rendering. Are our education, experience, business investment and time worth spit or what? Tell me that the industry is still prospering somewhere. Is the Salary Survey what we wish we could charge but never get paid? I live in Calgary where one can't live on $8 an hour. SICK.......So now what.....Farm it out for 2 bucks an hour and make 6 doing nothing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creasia Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 It almost makes sense to do that, but it comes back to... Do I want to support pirated software now and perpetuate the problem??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creasia Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 About 7 years ago this same thing happened in the web development industry. Now you can get template websites for $3 a month. I reccomend we watch the horizon and be willing to adapt to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowback Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 This starts a whole new area of discussion for me but, Never underestimate the poor taste of a client: if they want $300 work.....have at it Hos. My work is worth more than that(I hope) and that's what I am striving for. There will always be "under-cutters pizza" But quality will always be worth more....always. I agree with adaptation looking for other sources keeps it fresh. In my ideal world, I have to believe Quality will always be worth more. What's up with the Architect, is it a residential single home or something bigger? Is he also producing the construction documents, or is he hurtin' for work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
creasia Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 This starts a whole new area of discussion for me but, Never underestimate the poor taste of a client: if they want $300 work.....have at it Hos. My work is worth more than that(I hope) and that's what I am striving for. There will always be "under-cutters pizza" But quality will always be worth more....always. I agree with adaptation looking for other sources keeps it fresh. In my ideal world, I have to believe Quality will always be worth more. What's up with the Architect, is it a residential single home or something bigger? Is he also producing the construction documents, or is he hurtin' for work? You know... You are right. I have seen their website and it looks like they don't put very much finacial emphasis on good marketing. Having my images on that site might not look good for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyca Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 if you do money with a tool, than you should pay for it !! i think we all agree with it. but reality is: - a majority of the people here have use a pirated version before they got a legal license. - all those people say, they would not have rich their target without pirated soft. - they did not buy any of the software they didn't use as crack before - the question is : how much of pirated version will transform to a legal copy later ? i think this is statistic that should be done, before saying what should we do about it? so i think there is healthy piratage who help software company get their position on the market, and there are unhealthy piratage who can lead them to losing money the balance must be done because to much of one or the other makes the software company going to his end....so the word here is be "WISE" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowback Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 - the question is : how much of pirated version will transform to a legal copy later ? i think this is statistic that should be done, before saying what should we do about it? Bingo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IC Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 There's been a lot of speculation as to how little Autodesk do to stop piracy because they get a lot of business from ex-pirates. You could understand the logic if it's true but where do you draw the line? 500 pirate copies or 5 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
znotlin Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 lol, I didn't mean to say they should have something bad coming to them. I simply mean that hopefully someday, they won't be able to utilize pirated software as a resource. I figured that's what you meant, but I got excited about the idea of a god of software as an administrator of justice, since I don't think the police are gonna get much traction in China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJLynn Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 Many years ago the president of Autodesk was quoted as saying she would rather have someone using a pirated copy of ACAD than buying a competitor. They may have attitude now, but wide use of unlicensed copies of AutoCad is part of how they got their market dominance. I'm not saying it was intentional, but with the bloodsport business practices of Autodesk, it wouldn't surprise me if it was, at least in part. Another good example of that - back when Windows 3.1 was high tech it was the most widely pirated software ever by a large margin. The market being saturated with free copies is considered one of the main reasons it beat OS/2. There's a heck of a lot of Autodesk piracy at architecture schools, but that's one of the reasons architecture school grads have familiarity with Autodesk products. I wouldn't endorse it but I'd hazard a guess that it's not one of Autoddesk's major concerns - it's the use of the stuff in business that's the real problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Hunt Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 What amazes me is how quickly these cracks become available. Many times before it is officially released. Is this due to Beta tester leaking the software, Developers leaking it or just plain old fashioned hack and grab? JHV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAcky Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 all of the above. It can happen anywhere in the supply chain. With games, it usually happens in the manufacturing stage. The offshore replication/duplication plants have a lot of employees working and one or two copies go missing? Meh. Same with the shipping companies and so on. I remember when Half-Life two got nicked (hacked) from valve and it set the industry alight. Delayed the game a huge amount too. Interesting stuff at times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sygboe Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 (edited) My old office (from which i was made redundant from last month) use cracked software. they say they have legit licences for Autocad lt in the main office. but in the 3 years i was there about 5 pc's all ran hacked ADT software. i'm debating making a call to autodesk. in the hope they'll give me a free copy of 3d studio max for closing them down ;-) Edited July 11, 2009 by sygboe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cad64 Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 Same thing happened in a shop where I used to work. They had illegal copies of Autocad, Mechanical Desktop, MasterCam and who knows what else. There were at least 20 computers loaded up with bootleg software. Then one day they fired one of the machinist's, so he contacted Autodesk and blew the whistle. A few days later they showed up and slammed the company with fines up the wazoo. I think they were forced to purchase copies of every program for every workstation, as well as penalties and fines for using the software illegally for profit. I was let go soon afterwards, because they got hit with a lawsuit, right about the same time, regarding copyright infringement on some of the parts they were making and using in their machines. They couldn't make payroll anymore, so they layed off about half of their employees. I don't even know if they're still in business? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amer abidi Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 ouch! must've hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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